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Re: [TowerTalk] Guying a tower....Heresy to follow..... True statement!

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guying a tower....Heresy to follow..... True statement!
From: k7lxc@aol.com
Reply-to: "Tower and HF antenna construction topics." <towertalk@contesting.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:09:01 EST
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In a message dated 1/16/2010 4:23:25 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
towertalk-request@contesting.com writes:

>  I must be a heretic on tower building. If I were an  engineer, I'd 
probably  
still be designing my first tower.  

If you were an engineer, you'd be observing  Laws of science as well as 
engineering and legal codes - not "back  of the envelope" estimates. 
 
>  I can see stress tensioning the guys on  
a 600'  commercial tower, anyone can, but on 50' or 60' of Rohn 25 I really 
 
do  not see the need to get wrapped around an axle over it. In the  older 
catalogs,  40' was self supporting. 
 
    I think this was an old wive's tale (which I  have in the past repeated 
myself). I've never seen that statement in any Rohn  literature so I don't 
know where it came from ("I put it up and it didn't fall  over"?).
 
    OTOH Rohn towers are well known to endure  amateur radio overloading 
conditions on a regular basis without failure. 
 
>  It wasn't until the lawyers got involved that it had  to  be guyed at 20 
through 40 feet. 


    While it's true that tower manufacturers are  Insurance-driven 
enterprises, the industry wide adoption of the original  EIA-222 Tower Standard 
made 
manufacturers re-calculate their towers in light  of these new standards 
and publish new specifications. 

>  My  thoughts, as wrong as they may be, are that the guys on a 60' tower 
only  
need to be tight enough to keep the tower vertical. 
 
 
So I expect your guys to be way under-guyed which  has the potential to 
introduce wind-induced guy wire slamming as the wind  gusts and the tower is 
forcibly pushed to the end of the guy travel.  


>  I've never pulled a 
guy wire  more than hand tight on  a turnbuckle. What would be the need to 
apply  much  more  vertical and horizontal stress on a tower? If the tower 
flexes 
one inch in  a strong wind the guy wire on the windward side will tighten 
and   apply the necessary force to stop the tower movement. The middle guy  
 
wires only need to be snug enough to keep the center sections of the   
tower 
from doing the hula.
 
 
 
Major violations of the LXC Prime Directive  to "DO what the manufacturer 
says" aside, some of your advice is potentially  dangerous and contrary to 
industry and manufacturer's specs. I'd say you've  been lucky but then every 
time you speed you don't get a speeding ticket, do  you? 
 
Cheers,
Steve     K7LXC
TOWER TECH -
Professional tower services for hams
Author of UP THE TOWER - the first tower book ever written
_www.championradio.com_ (http://www.championradio.com)   



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