On 9/17/2010 6:47 PM, JOHN POWELL wrote:
> Not so - it should be "gilded" tower - it reflects all things at the speed
> of light.
>
I thought you were talking about the price!<:-))
73
Roger (K8RI)
> 73
> John. ZL1BHQ
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>> 1. Re: gided tower (John Langdon)
>> 2. Re: 6BTV vs HF2Vvsr DX Engineering 10-80 vertical, or Force
>> 12 flagpole (Ken Nicely)
>> 3. SUTRO TOWER CLIMB (hodgson@cytanet.com.cy)
>> 4. Re: 6BTV vs HF2Vvsr DX Engineering 10-80 vertical, or Force
>> 12 flagpole (Kelly Taylor)
>> 5. Re: gided tower (Kelly Taylor)
>> 6. Re: gided tower (D Calder)
>> 7. Re: gided tower (TexasRF@aol.com)
>> 8. Bury Flex (Mark Robinson)
>> 9. Newbee concrete rebar questions (Jim Thomson)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 05:52:25 -0500
>> From: "John Langdon"<jlangdon@outer.net>
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] gided tower
>> To: "'Roger \(K8RI\)'"<K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>,
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>> I thought it was the past tense of guyed.
>>
>> 73 John N5CQ
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Roger (K8RI)
>> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:39 AM
>> To: towertalk@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] gided tower
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/16/2010 7:47 PM, Michael Ryan wrote:
>>> Anyone no wat a gided tower is? -
>> It's lost and needs to be shown the way. IE...guided.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Roger (K8RI)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of K1TTT
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:33 PM
>>> To: towertalk@contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] gided tower
>>>
>>> I probably should have put a frowny face after that to make sure everyone
>>> got it as sarcasm.
>>>
>>>
>>> David Robbins K1TTT
>>> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Michael Goins [mailto:wmgoins@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 23:25
>>>> Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] gided tower
>>>>
>>>> It would still be "guyed" tower, not "guided." I always find that
>> amazing.
>>>> It's like "bob wire" here in Texas (barbed wire). Very often spelled
>>>> incorrectly.
>>>>
>>>> Mike, k5wmg
>>>> Pipe Creek, Texas
>>>> Green cars, slow boats, big dogs, old trucks, little radios, and summers
>>>> off
>>>> to write
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:51 PM, K1TTT<K1TTT@arrl.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That was just a misspelling, later on he spelled it corrected as
>>>> 'guided'
>>>>> tower.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> David Robbins K1TTT
>>>>> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
>>>>> web: http://www.k1ttt.net
>>>>> AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Danny Pease [mailto:dpease@adams.net]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 21:31
>>>>>> To: towertalk@contesting.com
>>>>>> Subject: [TowerTalk] gided tower
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess a "gided" tower is one that uses "gide wires", not guy wires.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NG9R
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 06:57:28 -0400
>> From: Ken Nicely<ken@nicelyweb.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 6BTV vs HF2Vvsr DX Engineering 10-80
>> vertical, or Force 12 flagpole
>> To: Mike Murphy<kd8ok@yahoo.com>
>> Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
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>> I have the old hy-gain version of the 6BTV and I have an HF6V. I often
>> operate in diversity receive with the Hy-Gain in one ear and the HF6V in
>> the
>> other. The HF6V always hears better than the Hy-Gain, but only
>> marginally.
>> I also feel the HF6V gets out better than the Hy-Gain.
>>
>> On another note, I recently compared a home brew 43 foot vertical with a
>> 4:1
>> balun against the HF6V and the HF6V was far superior in all respects.
>>
>> I know these antennas are not an exact representation of what you are
>> looking at, but they are very similar, so I thought it might be helpful.
>>
>> Ken
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:32:20 +0300
>> From:<hodgson@cytanet.com.cy>
>> Subject: [TowerTalk] SUTRO TOWER CLIMB
>> To: "TowerTalk"<towertalk@contesting.com>
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>> The Sutro climb is still available on youtube.
>>
>> Pretty hairy.
>>
>> 73 Steve, ZC4LI.
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uccjrp5NRYE
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:58:27 -0500
>> From: Kelly Taylor<theroadtrip@mts.net>
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 6BTV vs HF2Vvsr DX Engineering 10-80
>> vertical, or Force 12 flagpole
>> To: Ryan Jairam<rjairam@gmail.com>, Tom Anderson
>> <andersonww5l@sbcglobal.net>
>> Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
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>> I have a 5BTV and shouting at the trees works better than the 5BTV...
>>
>> (on 80).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/16/10 8:43 PM, "Ryan Jairam"<rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 6BTV and my inverted vee works better on 80.
>>>
>>> Ryan, N2RJ
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Tom Anderson
>>> <andersonww5l@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> Fellow Tower Talkians:
>>>>
>>>> A friend of mine gave me a Hustler 6BTV vertical which I was planning on
>>>> using to supplement my 40/80 inverted vee at 50 feet and my Tennadyne
>>>> T-10
>>>> log periodic.
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering how the 6BTV plays against something like a Butternut
>>>> HF2V, DX
>>>> Engineering's 40 ft 10-80 vertical, or Force 12s flagpole vertical?
>>>> Looking
>>>> mainly for something decent on 40/80.
>>>>
>>>> Tom, WW5L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:33:51 -0500
>> From: Kelly Taylor<theroadtrip@mts.net>
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] gided tower
>> To: Tom Osborne<w7why@frontier.com>, Towertalk
>> <towertalk@contesting.com>
>> Message-ID:<C8B84BCF.65B5%theroadtrip@mts.net>
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>> 'Guided' tower? So it has it's own seeing-eye dog? Can't it get by with
>> the
>> little white cane? I mean, it doesn't have far to go...
>>
>>
>> On 9/16/10 10:21 PM, "Tom Osborne"<w7why@frontier.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> That was just a misspelling, later on he spelled it corrected as
>>>> 'guided'
>>>> tower.
>>>>
>>> Who needs a spell checker?
>>>
>>> I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The
>>> phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde
>>> Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the
>>> olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit
>>> pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a
>>> porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by
>>> istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas thought
>>> slpeling was ipmorantt. 73
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom W7WHY
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:03:55 -0400
>> From: "D Calder"<towertalk@n4zkf.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] gided tower
>> To: "'Towertalk'"<towertalk@contesting.com>
>> Message-ID:<004b01cb5660$672db910$35892b30$@n4zkf.com>
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>> You can always feel the love in this group......
>>
>> Dave n4zkf
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:34 PM
>> To: Tom Osborne; Towertalk
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] gided tower
>>
>> 'Guided' tower? So it has it's own seeing-eye dog? Can't it get by with
>> the
>> little white cane? I mean, it doesn't have far to go...
>>
>>
>> On 9/16/10 10:21 PM, "Tom Osborne"<w7why@frontier.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> That was just a misspelling, later on he spelled it corrected as
>>>> 'guided'
>>>> tower.
>>>>
>>> Who needs a spell checker?
>>>
>>> I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg
>>> The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at
>>> Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a
>>> wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer
>>> be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll
>>> raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not
>>> raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? Yaeh
>> and I awlyas thought
>>> slpeling was ipmorantt. 73
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom W7WHY
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:18:49 EDT
>> From: TexasRF@aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] gided tower
>> To: w7why@frontier.com, towertalk@contesting.com
>> Message-ID:<11e421.11e55464.39c4b6a9@aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Tom/all, While it is readable, it sure slows me down. Probably means I am
>> not nearly as smart as I thought!
>>
>> 73,
>> Gerald K5GW
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/16/2010 10:21:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> w7why@frontier.com writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> That was just a misspelling, later on he spelled it corrected as
>>> 'guided'
>>> tower.
>>>
>> Who needs a spell checker?
>>
>> I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The
>> phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde
>> Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the
>> olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit
>> pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a
>> porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by
>> istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas thought
>> slpeling was ipmorantt. 73
>>
>>
>> Tom W7WHY
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:51:28 -0400
>> From: "Mark Robinson"<markrob@mindspring.com>
>> Subject: [TowerTalk] Bury Flex
>> To:<towertalk@contesting.com>
>> Message-ID:<05ee01cb5667$0c7bc7d0$6600a8c0@hplaptop>
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>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Now I am running out of Bury Flex. Iwas told by a distributor that it will
>> be 3 to 4 weeks before any stock comes in. Does anyone know if this is a
>> good date or is it likely to slip out further? If I have a good date then
>> I
>> can figure my options.
>>
>>
>> 73 Mark N1UK
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 05:52:42 -0700
>> From: "Jim Thomson"<jim.thom@telus.net>
>> Subject: [TowerTalk] Newbee concrete rebar questions
>> To:<towertalk@contesting.com>
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>> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:56:56 -0700
>> From: David Gilbert<xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Newbee concrete rebar questions
>>
>>
>> Personally, I think it is highly unlikely that significant corrosion
>> would travel down the path of a thin wire. It certainly isn't a
>> moisture issue, since moisture readily penetrates concrete anyway.
>>
>> ## I wouldn't bet on it any time soon. On this last cage I had built, the
>> re-bar guys installed short 3' long bar's , 2 per corner..right at the
>> top tie,
>> to stop it from wobbling abt. The ends of the bars were touching the
>> clay sidewalls.
>> The PE went nut's when he saw that. I explained to him that the 8 x temp
>> bars
>> were being removed, when the concrete was 95% to the top.
>>
>> ## We have a condo across town here, that has huge amounts of it's
>> re-bar
>> literally disintegrated..starting from the very bottom. Dunno if they
>> forgot to install
>> dobe blocks under them or not. Some how, vast amounts of water have
>> managed
>> to get beneath the foundation, and started eating the re-bar. It's now a
>> maze
>> of hollow tunnels. Those giant concrete support columns and side walls
>> in the
>> underground parking lot are now seriously compromised. They X-rayed it
>> all,
>> and also took some of it apart. 1st Time it has ever happened.
>>
>> ## Ever pounded/jack hammered galvanized grnd rods into clay/soil ?
>> They will disintegrate in 10 years. A buddy [ who was in a rental house]
>> installed
>> the bottom section of a 50' galvanized guyed tower, directly into a 2'
>> deep hole, with no concrete
>> at all.. then used a house bracket, plus guy wires. When he removed the
>> bottom section from
>> the grnd, 11 years later, 65% of it had vanished ! Whole sections of
>> bracing were gone, plus
>> the tower legs had huge chunks missing.
>>
>> ## rebar is cheap. Just use some vertical rebar, but use dobe blocks
>> under them. They are just
>> small concrete blocks with a slot running down the top side. The rebar
>> sits in the slot, and won't budge.
>> There are abt 6 x different ways to tie rebar with the wire. [ on line]
>> Take a piece of wire, 24" long, and fold it in
>> 1/2.... like a hairpin. That's what's used to tie the bars. The
>> rebar place also has the blocks..plus loads of wire.
>>
>> ## concrete has loads of compressive strength.. but hardly any tensile
>> [ stretching] strength... hence
>> the use of vertical rebars. The horizontal grid of bars stops the top
>> from blowing out...and re-enforces
>> the legs embedded in the concrete..since they are a distance from the
>> re-bar ties. [ Horz hoops]
>>
>> ## forget the prime directive. Who ever designed the cage, using 2 x
>> horizontal grids of bars
>> in parallel... and no vertical bars was asleep at the switch. It also
>> appears they did not use
>> horizontal 'ties' either. The ties are just square hoops, made from
>> one continuous piece of re-bar,
>> with an overlap in the corner. Their is usually ties every 6-12",
>> starting at the top. The ties are
>> supported by the vertical rebars. The bottom/top grid of bars goes in
>> dead last. Vertical bars
>> go inside the ties. It's like they gave you step 3..and missed steps
>> 1+2.
>>
>> ## All the re-bar at the very top should be down at least 3"..and pref
>> 4-5". The top surface is what's exposed
>> to the rain. If it's only embedded 1- 1.5" it won't last. You want
>> a min of 3" on all sides and 2-3" on the bottom.
>>
>> later... Jim VE7RF
>>
>>
>>
>> It's
>> the PH of the concrete that inhibits corrosion of the embedded rebar
>> even though it ALWAYS gets "wet" unless you live in Antarctica.
>> Corrosion only travels along a wire or rod if it is large enough that
>> the PH of the concrete is physically buffered from the iron core. I
>> don't think that is likely with a thin wire.
>>
>> If you're worried about it, though, use something like copper wire or
>> stainless steel wire. There may be some dissimilar metal corrosion
>> where the wire meets the rebar, but as soon as the junction rots away
>> the corrosion would stop as well.
>>
>> Or just use something strong and non-metallic like nylon twine. As I
>> said, there's no point in worrying about a path for moisture because of
>> the porosity of the concrete, and you're going to get microcracks in the
>> concrete anyway.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave AB7E
>>
>>
>>
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