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Subject: [TowerTalk] Tower supplies
From: Cqtestk4xs@aol.com
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 08:24:57 -0500 (EST)
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Steve is a good guy and I have gotten stuff from him.
 
Another good source is on Ebay.  I got a 3M (yes they do make this  stuff) 
full body climbing harness with the utility belt brand new for  $130.
 
Bill K4XS/KH7XS
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2013 6:34:10 A.M. Coordinated Universal Time,  
w4gmh@cox.net writes:

If you  are shopping for tower work stuff...    I strongly recommend that  
you support the provider of the contesting forums.

after 50+ years of  climbing and working with the good old leather belt..   
I am much  more comfortable and confident with..and I'm sure safer with my 
harness and  big hook...and when you order your harness and other stuff... 
be sure to get a  copy of of Up The Tower...
mine is marked with lots of yellow  highlighter...and gets re-read every 
couple of months.

Cal  Z
W4GMH

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Today's Topics:

1. Re:  Climbing Belts/Harnass (Jim W7RY)
2. Re: Climbing  Belts/Harnass (K8RI)
3. Re: Climbing Belts/Harnass (Grant  Saviers)
4. Re: Climbing Belts/Harnass (K8RI)
5. Prop pitch rotates when tower grounded to station (Paul  Staupe)


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Message:  1
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:08:38 -0800
From: "Jim W7RY"  <w7ry@centurytel.net>
To: "David Jordan"  <wa3gin@comcast.net>,    "David Gilbert"
<xdavid@cis-broadband.com>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject:  Re: [TowerTalk] Climbing Belts/Harnass
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Isn't it great... !  noTHING like hams  supporting the hobby through small
businesses... I just got a pneumatic  tennis ball wire antenna launcher... 
no
tree top can beat this thing,  haha.  80lbs = 200ft ASL

73,
Dave
wa3gin


Agree  100%. I built one out of a kit. They work FABULOUS!!

I need to devise a  good way to use Co2 so it's a bit more portable.

73
Jim  W7RY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Gilbert"  <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
To:  <towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 1:55  PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Climbing Belts/Harnass


>
>  Let's just say that I find it ironic that this reflector is sponsored by 
 
> K7LXC, the owner of Champion Radio Products.
>
>  http://www.championradio.com/shop/Safety-Equipment.5
>
>  73,
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
> On  11/18/2012 11:41 AM, Stephen Colello wrote:
>> I have the same  interest--so please make all responses to reply all.
>>
>>  Steve
>> KA2KON
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----  From: "Anthony (N2KI)" <n2ki.ham@gmail.com>
>> To:  <towertalk@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012  5:32 PM
>> Subject: [TowerTalk] Climbing  Belts/Harnass
>>
>>
>>> I have to replace my  very old climbing belt .  I want to purchase one 
>>>  for
>>> tower work.  Can someone point me in the direction of  a reputable
>>> distributor and possible suggest a  model?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>  Regards,
>>>
>>> Anthony J. Cioffi  (N2KI)
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Message: 2
Date: Sun,  18 Nov 2012 23:57:53 -0500
From: K8RI  <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject:  Re: [TowerTalk] Climbing Belts/Harnass
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On 11/18/2012 11:08 PM, Jim W7RY wrote:
>
>  Isn't it great... !  noTHING like hams supporting the hobby through  
small
> businesses... I just got a pneumatic tennis ball wire  antenna
> launcher... no
> tree top can beat this thing,  haha.  80lbs = 200ft ASL

These can be built for a couple of bucks  that weigh less than 10#
Google is your friend. Check potato gun or tennis  ball gun.
or just tennis ball/hair spray will bring up lots of  instructions.

Remember these things do not come with a safety  warranty.

73

Roger (K8RI)

>
> 73,
>  Dave
> wa3gin
>
>
> Agree 100%. I built one out of a  kit. They work FABULOUS!!
>
> I need to devise a good way to use  Co2 so it's a bit more portable.
>
> 73
> Jim  W7RY
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David  Gilbert"
> <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
> To:  <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 1:55  PM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Climbing  Belts/Harnass
>
>
>>
>> Let's just say that I  find it ironic that this reflector is sponsored
>> by K7LXC, the  owner of Champion Radio Products.
>>
>>  http://www.championradio.com/shop/Safety-Equipment.5
>>
>>  73,
>> Dave    AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/18/2012 11:41 AM,  Stephen Colello wrote:
>>> I have the same interest--so please  make all responses to reply all.
>>>
>>>  Steve
>>> KA2KON
>>>
>>> ----- Original  Message ----- From: "Anthony (N2KI)"  
<n2ki.ham@gmail.com>
>>> To:  <towertalk@contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 17,  2012 5:32 PM
>>> Subject: [TowerTalk] Climbing  Belts/Harnass
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have to  replace my very old climbing belt .  I want to  purchase
>>>> one for
>>>> tower work.  Can  someone point me in the direction of a reputable
>>>>  distributor and possible suggest a  model?
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks
>>>>
>>>>  Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Anthony J. Cioffi  (N2KI)
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Message:  3
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 23:04:23 -0800
From: Grant Saviers  <grants2@pacbell.net>
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Cc: K8RI  <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Climbing  Belts/Harnass
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A friend had PVC pipe fragments  migrating out of his face for years 
after a rupture of the PVC pipe these  gadgets are made from.  His 
"event" was a potato cannon failure, but  there isn't much difference 
when the pressure gets to 80psi.  PVC  doesn't show on an x-ray.

PVC piping is an ABSOLUTE  NO-NO in  commercial compressed air systems 
since minor damage can escalate into  ruptures and high energy flying 
slivers and fragments.    Thus,  having one's face right next to the 
pressure storage tank is a very bad  idea. Handling damage can be 
concealed, cold is bad since the plastic gets  brittle and heat is bad 
because the pressure rating is significantly  reduced.

Making one from sch 80 PVC pipe is probably safer, since the  pressure 
ratings are much higher, the fittings much stronger, and the  supplier 
probably not the cheapest the big box can buy,  what the  forklift driver 
probably dropped or the customer walked on. Another idea  might be to 
fiberglass wrap the tank (with a PVC compatible resin) as a  "shatter 
shield".  Good solvent gluing is extremely important as a 4"  PVC cap on 
a pressure tank at 80psi has about 1000 lbs of force on  it.

Beyond "no safety warranty" as Roger notes,  PVC launchers are  the 
ultimate in caveat emptor.  As a friend used to say about his  Winchester 
458 magnum rifle - "kills at one end and maims at the  other".

Grant KZ1W


On 11/18/2012 8:57 PM, K8RI  wrote:
> On 11/18/2012 11:08 PM, Jim W7RY wrote:
>>
>>  Isn't it great... !  noTHING like hams supporting the hobby through  
>> small
>> businesses... I just got a pneumatic tennis  ball wire antenna
>> launcher... no
>> tree top can beat  this thing, haha.  80lbs = 200ft ASL
>
> These can be built  for a couple of bucks that weigh less than 10#
> Google is your friend.  Check potato gun or tennis ball gun.
> or just tennis ball/hair spray  will bring up lots of instructions.
>
> Remember these things do  not come with a safety warranty.
>
> 73
>
> Roger  (K8RI)
>
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave
>>  wa3gin
>>
>>
>> Agree 100%. I built one out of a  kit. They work FABULOUS!!
>>
>> I need to devise a good way  to use Co2 so it's a bit more portable.
>>
>> 73
>>  Jim W7RY
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----  From: "David Gilbert"
>> <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
>>  To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 18,  2012 1:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Climbing  Belts/Harnass
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Let's  just say that I find it ironic that this reflector is  sponsored
>>> by K7LXC, the owner of Champion Radio  Products.
>>>
>>>  http://www.championradio.com/shop/Safety-Equipment.5
>>>
>>>  73,
>>> Dave    AB7E
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On  11/18/2012 11:41 AM, Stephen Colello wrote:
>>>> I have the  same interest--so please make all responses to reply  all.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>  KA2KON
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----  From: "Anthony (N2KI)" 
>>>>  <n2ki.ham@gmail.com>
>>>> To:  <towertalk@contesting.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November  17, 2012 5:32 PM
>>>> Subject: [TowerTalk] Climbing  Belts/Harnass
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  I have to replace my very old climbing belt .  I want to  purchase
>>>>> one for
>>>>> tower  work.  Can someone point me in the direction of a  reputable
>>>>> distributor and possible suggest a  model?
>>>>>
>>>>>  Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>  Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Anthony J. Cioffi  (N2KI)
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Message:  4
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 03:44:07 -0500
From: K8RI  <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject:  Re: [TowerTalk] Climbing Belts/Harnass
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On 11/19/2012 2:04 AM, Grant Saviers  wrote:
> A friend had PVC pipe fragments migrating out of his face for  years
> after a rupture of the PVC pipe these gadgets are made  from.  His
> "event" was a potato cannon failure, but there isn't  much difference
> when the pressure gets to 80psi.  PVC doesn't  show on an x-ray.
>
> PVC piping is an ABSOLUTE  NO-NO in  commercial compressed air systems
> since minor damage can escalate into  ruptures and high energy flying
> slivers and fragments.     Thus, having one's face right next to the
> pressure storage tank is a  very bad idea. Handling damage can be
> concealed, cold is bad since the  plastic gets brittle and heat is bad
> because the pressure rating is  significantly reduced.
>
> Making one from sch 80 PVC pipe is  probably safer, since the pressure
> ratings are much higher, the  fittings much stronger, and the supplier
> probably not the cheapest the  big box can buy,  what the forklift driver
> probably dropped or  the customer walked on. Another idea might be to
> fiberglass wrap the  tank (with a PVC compatible resin) as a "shatter
> shield".  Good  solvent gluing is extremely important as a 4" PVC cap on
> a pressure  tank at 80psi has about 1000 lbs of force on it.
>
> Beyond "no  safety warranty" as Roger notes,  PVC launchers are the
> ultimate  in caveat emptor.  As a friend used to say about his Winchester
>  458 magnum rifle - "kills at one end and maims at the other".

And the  ones I've seen used combustion which probably hit far higher 
than 80 PSI  peak. OTOH I'd trust them farther than some of those with 
pressure  tanks<:-))  Bout as safe as throwing the antenna over a power  
line. (I've read that has actually happened.)

I've wanted a 50  Baret M82 for years.  Too big and heavy to carry deer 
hunting,  probably topple the tree the stand is in, and it'd blow out all 
the  windows. (hunt in comfort with heat and fresh coffee.) Each year the 
kids  seem to add a bit of home<:-)) It's actually not that worse if any 
than  the 458, although if you can afford a custom Lapua  (Al' Pu ah) in  
the Baret it's tame compared to a conventional 458.

A bit off topic  but I figured a few might appreciate the educational 
aspects.
Here's a  shot of a little practice with the M82 50 (watch out for line 
wrap)
Kind of  a different way to look at target  shooting.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.spearfishingplanet.com/attach
ments/general-off-topic/19520d1269171043-barrett-50-sniper-rifle-put-smile-y
our-face-303171_pm-jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.spearfishingplanet.com/general-o
ff-topic/18137-barrett-50-sniper-rifle-put-smile-your-face.html&h=275&w=484&
sz=144&tbnid=hjOtjFoDW9grZM:&tbnh=75&tbnw=132&zoom=1&usg=__XPbJhyj9K2R6zk5ss
ZrUL_gr3g4=&docid=u51lyWX8PNyGdM&sa=X&ei=de6pUIjBJa-60AGYmoDACg&ved=0CFEQ9QE
wBA&dur=4812

Never  believe wiki.  They call it shoulder mounted. Try that and stay  
upright.


73

Roger (K8RI)



>
>  Grant KZ1W
>
>
> On 11/18/2012 8:57 PM, K8RI  wrote:
>> On 11/18/2012 11:08 PM, Jim W7RY  wrote:
>>>
>>> Isn't it great... !  noTHING like  hams supporting the hobby through
>>> small
>>>  businesses... I just got a pneumatic tennis ball wire antenna
>>>  launcher... no
>>> tree top can beat this thing, haha.  80lbs  = 200ft ASL
>>
>> These can be built for a couple of bucks  that weigh less than 10#
>> Google is your friend. Check potato gun  or tennis ball gun.
>> or just tennis ball/hair spray will bring up  lots of instructions.
>>
>> Remember these things do not  come with a safety warranty.
>>
>>  73
>>
>> Roger  (K8RI)
>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>  Dave
>>> wa3gin
>>>
>>>
>>>  Agree 100%. I built one out of a kit. They work  FABULOUS!!
>>>
>>> I need to devise a good way to use  Co2 so it's a bit more portable.
>>>
>>>  73
>>> Jim W7RY
>>>
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Gilbert"
>>>  <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
>>> To:  <towertalk@contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 18,  2012 1:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Climbing  Belts/Harnass
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Let's just say that I find it ironic that this reflector is  sponsored
>>>> by K7LXC, the owner of Champion Radio  Products.
>>>>
>>>>  http://www.championradio.com/shop/Safety-Equipment.5
>>>>
>>>>  73,
>>>> Dave    AB7E
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On 11/18/2012 11:41 AM, Stephen Colello wrote:
>>>>> I have  the same interest--so please make all responses to reply  all.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Steve
>>>>>  KA2KON
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message  ----- From: "Anthony (N2KI)"
>>>>>  <n2ki.ham@gmail.com>
>>>>> To:  <towertalk@contesting.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday,  November 17, 2012 5:32 PM
>>>>> Subject: [TowerTalk]  Climbing  Belts/Harnass
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  I have to replace my very old climbing belt .  I want to  purchase
>>>>>> one for
>>>>>> tower  work.  Can someone point me in the direction of a  reputable
>>>>>> distributor and possible suggest a  model?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anthony J.  Cioffi (N2KI)
>>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>>
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Message:  5
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:09:48 -0600
From: Paul Staupe  <staupe@gmail.com>
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject:  [TowerTalk] Prop pitch rotates when tower grounded to  station
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Here's one for the prop pitch gurus out  there...I'm sure there's an easy
explanation for this, but I'm  baffled.

I put up a 2L 40M Moxon, an 8L FM Yagi and a 4L SteppIR on a  22' mast
rotated by a small prop pitch using an M2 RC2800P-A controller  which has
worked flawlessly for the past year.  All the coax runs feed  insulated
elements so they've been floating at each antenna, therefore, I  didn't
discover the problem until I built a shunt feed system to the tower  last
week.

When I connected the shunt feed coax PL-259 (which has a  direct connection
to the radial field and the tower itself), the prop pitch  started rotating
counterclockwise without the sensor being activated, so  the M2 controller
had no indication of movement.  Thankfully, I was  lucky enough to look up
at the antenna rotating and discovered the problem  before the prop pitch
sheared off the coax to my antennas.  So it  appears that somehow the 24VDC
return is live on the tower, and the circuit  to one of the windings
completes when I connect the shield to my  station.

When the controller in on, there is no voltage present between  the motor
ports and the motor port return.  There's 10.85 VDC between  the sensor
ports when the controller is on but a 41 VDC voltage between one  sensor
port and the coax shield coming back from the shunt feed to the  tower and
31 VDC showing on the second controller port to the same  shield.  This is
very strange, since I'm using RG6 all the way from  the controller to the
top of the tower and I would think that the magnetic  controller would be
completely isolated from the motor ports....

Any  ideas to solve this would be appreciated.

Best regards,

Paul  W0AD


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