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Re: [TowerTalk] Cadweld failing to ignite

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cadweld failing to ignite
From: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:23:18 -0700
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Neither a propane torch nor a MAPP torch is likely to be effective setting off the Cadweld powder no matter how hot you get it. Cadweld powder burns with an oxidation reaction, and the atmosphere in the vicinity of a propane/MAPP flame is primarily a reduction environment due to incompletely burned gas. It's the same reason that the inside of a torch flame will remove the oxidation from a piece of copper sheet or plumbing fitting. This topic comes up here from time to time, and almost nobody is successful using a propane torch with Cadweld powder. Match heads are a different story, though, and I've used them myself in a pinch. They aren't completely reliable, but I don't see how they are any less safe than the normal starting material.

I don't use One-Shots since I made my own regular mold from a graphite plate and use standard powder that I bought on eBay. I always saved a bit of the starting powder from every shot I made so that I could have some extra available if one of the shots was particularly balky.

By the way, I also played around with making my own Cadweld powder from scratch. The reaction is a pretty simple one involving only copper oxide and aluminum powder*, but I learned that the particle size of the ingredients is critical for having a controlled reaction. Coarse particles are very difficult to fire off, while the fine stuff (laboratory grade) I was able to buy goes up like the flash powder photographers used to use. If you compare the Cadweld starting material with the normal powder, that's pretty much what you see ... the starting material is simply finer grain. I suppose if you were willing to risk losing an eye or having your hand blown off you could try grinding the regular powder into finer particles, but I would strongly recommend against it.

The best advice I've seen here so far is from the guy who recommended you just throw it away and use a new one.

73,
Dave   AB7E

* 3CuO + 2AL=Al2O3 + 3Cu + HEAT (lots of it) + LIGHT (lots of it)




On 1/21/2013 2:53 PM, K8RI wrote:
On 1/21/2013 4:23 PM, SPWoo wrote:
Hi All,

I'm having a problem where one of the cadweld one-shot doesn't have any of the igniting powder in it. From what I've gathered the main powder material needs a very high temperature to ignite. So far I've tried a torch (MAPP gas) but still the main powder fails to ignite despite the powder was glowing red. Someone has suggested using a magnesium fire starter. I didn't have any problems lighting the other cadwelds with a flint but what does one do if there's no igniting powder? Your help is greatly appreciated. 73.


Just a propane torch should ignite them. I've ignited them with match heads from the old kitchen matches, which isn't very safe and I do not recommend.

If it was glowing, it should have ignited.

We're missing something.


73

Roger (K8RI)



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Jonathan Woo, W6GX
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