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Re: [TowerTalk] Insulator options for 160m vertical

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Insulator options for 160m vertical
From: Donald Chester <k4kyv@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 03:23:22 +0000
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<<I am planning a 160m vertical with elevated radials, using Rohn 25G tower 
sections.  I plan to have the tower insulated at 30' above ground.

Rohn is very proud of their 25TG insulated section and I have heartburn paying 
over $2K for the section, so I am looking for alternatives to insulate this 
tower. There will be 130' of tower above the insulated part.

Someone recommended using fiberglass rod machined down to fit inside the 3 legs 
and I am currently investigating this option.

Any other ideas / comments / recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

73's
NJ0F>>

The 25TG is a tapered base section designed to go with a separate base 
insulator.  It's basically a  regular 10' section with the bottom 2' or so of 
the legs bent inwards, and about a 5/8" thick round steel plate welded to the 
ends.  From the bend in the legs to the bottom, there are three solid sheet 
metal plates welded to the legs, replacing the normal zig-zag.

I bought my tower brand new in 1980, purchased from Hill Radio in the same town 
where the Rohn manufacturing plant was.  At that time I paid $38 each per 
regular 10' section, and as I recall, the 25TG section was about $110.  Just a 
little over double a regular section. Hill Radio is still in business, and out 
of curiosity I checked their website recently, and they were asking $900 for 
the 25TG. But the kicker was, even back in 1980 the matching base insulator 
cost $510!

I purchased the 25TG section, and found a used base insulator that had been 
taken from a broadcast tower. The BC tower was larger than Rohn 25G, and the 
three holes in the tower base plate did not match the mounting holes in the 
base insulator. I went to a scrap yard and scrounged a piece of steel plate 
about the same thickness as the 25TG base plate, took it to a machine shop and 
had them cut it into a round disc, and drill 3 holes matching the tower base 
plate and 3 more matching the insulator mounting holes. I had threads tapped 
into the six holes, and bolted the adaptor plate to the tower base and then 
bolted the insulator in place from the opposite side, using the other three 
holes. My 127' tower has now been in service for over 30 years, and I am just 
now making preparations to re-guy it.

This year at Dayton a friend of mine picked up a Lapp ceramic base insulator 
that looks exactly like the one that goes with the 25TG, for $40. These may not 
be so hard to find these days, now that there are little Mom and Pop AM 
broadcast stations that have gone dark because they could no longer make it in 
the economy. Just a matter of finding the insulators before they go to the 
landfill, since most Hammy Hambone types  who might salvage a tower just want 
to bury the bottom of the tower directly in the concrete base and have no 
interest in the base insulator.

You should use a single base insulator that allows the tower to pivot and sway 
with the wind, with the insulator and its base mounting plate acting as a ball 
and socket joint. When the tower is buried in concrete in a typical ham 
installation, the base is fixed rigidly in place and can't move, so the 
movement resulting from the wind bends and twists the tower structure causing 
undue stress that can eventually cause failure at the welds, and metal fatigue 
on the rest of the tower structure, usually not a problem  with a typical 60' 
ham tower, but a cause for concern when you are going up 160'. For the reasons 
mentioned above, I would be leery of using a separate insulator in each leg of 
a rigidly planted tower, whether homemade or the individual leg insulators sold 
by Rohn (also very expensive). When I was planning my tower over 30 years ago, 
the Rohn engineers told me they did NOT recommend using those insulators for an 
AM-type tower.

I would consider 30' of 25G or maybe 45G with the base buried in concrete, 
heavily guyed at the top, and a heavy plate attached at the top. Then mount a 
broadcast type base insulator on the top plate, attached to a 25TG section or 
suitable substitute, and continue the guyed tower on up to the full height in 
the normal manner, so that the base insulator pivots at the 30' level. I have 
seen photos of AM BC towers with an elevated base insulator like that located 
in flood-prone areas.

There has been a fellow at Dayton the past 2 or 3 years who custom builds heavy 
duty tower hardware compatible with Rohn 25 and 45, and even finishes off his 
work with hot-dipped galvanising. He brings examples of his work and I believe 
he could easily fabricate a top plate section to mount atop the bottom 30' of 
tower, and a base adaptor to custom fit a broadcast type base insulator to the 
bottom end of a regular 10' section of 25G. I even suggested that he should 
make base sections that would convert a regular tower section to the equivalent 
of a 25TG. He said he had never had such a request, but that he could easily do 
it if one provided him with the specifications.

The guy gave me his business card a couple of years ago, but unfortunately the 
black hole in my shack has long ago sucked it up. Maybe someone reading this 
will remember seeing this guy at Dayton and be able to tell you who it was.

Don k4kyv                                         
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