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[TowerTalk] FW: Digging a 5'x5'x7' hole in sandy soil

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Subject: [TowerTalk] FW: Digging a 5'x5'x7' hole in sandy soil
From: "Matt" <km5vi@flukey.cc>
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 21:16:07 -0500
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Just want to reiterate on advice from N6SJ, AB7E, KK9A, & VE4XT...  get with
a qualified structural engineer if there is any doubt about the compressive
strength of the soil you are placing the foundation in.   Sand that
collapses upon excavation is reason enough to have doubt!   Insufficient
footing support for the foundation can result in the foundation leaning,
failing, or overturning at less than design load. 

Matt
KM5VI


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From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Roger
(K8RI)
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:08 AM
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Digging a 5'x5'x7' hole in sandy soil

On 8/13/2013 6:57 PM, jeffhook@comcast.net wrote:
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> To all:
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> I have a used US towers HDX 555 I'm installing .
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> US tower sent me new anchor bolts and a print of foundation and it says
undisturbed soil and forms can't be left in hole.
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> I live in a sandy area and wonder how others have dug a 5x5x7 hole,
installed reb ar cage, and filled with concrete, without it caving in?
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>    

Are these showing up. I never see them.


There are times when it is not possible to pour into undisturbed soil. I
would ask them(US Towers)  specifically what they recommend to use in sand.
They may recommend a larger base. but you might have to resort to
commercial, metal forms.  After the pour cures "enough" the forms are
"pulled" which of course takes some power and maybe the services of a
contractor.

Because of the unstable soil, I'd want a larger base and as someone else
suggested, a base specifically for loose sand would resort to the metal
forms even if I had to hire a contractor.

Where I'm putting up the LM470, the soil should be firm enough to pour
against the side of the hole (undisturbed soil) but the concrete will need
to be poured right away.  Even a light rain could cause it to collapse. I
only have to go 15 to 20 feet West or north and it becomes more of a peat.
When I dug the holes for the 45G guy anchors, I went back the next morning
and the NW hole had become about 12 feet across and 1 foot deep.


73

Roger (K8RI)
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> Thanks - Jeff
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