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Re: [TowerTalk] Tower and antenna decisions

To: "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" <richard@karlquist.com>, towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower and antenna decisions
From: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:58:24 -0700
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Just having returned from our mini-dxpedition to Raivavae (Australs, French Polynesia) as TX5D I can confirm how loud or "only station on the band" big high antennas sound. e.g W6CCP was working Asia/Oceania *that I couldn't hear* and was S9+10 on a fairly quiet band. Or the S meter bending W4? in Florida with a 4L 40m beam at 140'.

OTOH, there must have been some super stations calling us from Europe, but they didn't stand out from the pileup like these did. But the disproportionate number of EAs we worked showed how some paths are really favored. We were using "verticals on the beach", 500w, and were reported as "loud" most everywhere. A direct A-B test of verticals showed a 2 S unit advantage when within 1/2 wl vs 2 wl of the salt water lagoon, elevated radials.

Grant KZ1W

On 10/28/2013 12:16 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote:

On 10/27/2013 2:26 AM, Jim Thomson wrote:

Take one of these 89 ft crank ups....and run it from 26 ft nested..up to
89 ft extended..and it’s a real eye opener.  I have a  slight uphill
rise from N-S...all facing east.   And slightly downhill.... from
N-S..all facing west.   I need all the height I can get when pointed
at EU, AF, SA, etc.

Right, but you said flat land. I have similar topography here to the

I am lucky enough to have a 106 foot crankup, and BTW, I'm on flat land.
At the time I acquired the crankup, the answer to "why 106 ft?" was "because I could" rather than any particular "engineering" justification. Recently, I set up a 40 foot tower 100 feet away from the crankup with a SteppIR Yagi on top. The crankup also has a SteppIR Yagi. This setup allows me to do direct A/B comparisons in real time. With the tower cranked down to 40 ft, the two Yagi's performed the same, after accounting for slightly higher gain on the larger one.
With the tower cranked up, the increase in signals on a calibrated S
meter was often amazing, up to 10 or 15 dB, especially on long haul
DX.  There were conditions like noon on 20 meters to the east coast
where the 40 ft high Yagi was equal to the high one.  I haven't observed
any cases where the 40 ft high Yagi was better, but I could believe that
could happen occasionally.  These tests were done on 20 through 10
meters.

Like you say, a real eye opener.

I purchased the tower from W6BH (recently a SK) who replaced it with ...
an even higher tower, of course.

Rick N6RK
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