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Re: [TowerTalk] Traps and High SWR-troubleshooting problem ?

To: "Gary Marks" <gmarks@neo.rr.com>, "Towertalk" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Traps and High SWR-troubleshooting problem ?
From: "Don " <w7wll@arrl.net>
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:56:29 -0700
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Check the screws between the inside and outside trap tubes. I had the same problem pop up after a few years on the OR coast, high SWR under higher power on 15, and high SWR on all bands, particularly when it is raining. I first suspected the issue was the balun (again, have lost 2) or a trap since it almost immediately cleared up when the wx cleared and things had a chance to dry for a day. If it had been coax and water had gotten into a bad connector covering or the coax itself, it would have taken much much longer to clear I thought. Nevertheless, the coax is very old and considering the salt and UV here I am going to replace it. Using a tuner to get everything to work required a very high inductance setting.

I'm preparing to lay over the HG-HD70 this week and begin repair and and replacement of the bad parts and baluns (I also have a Cushcraft A3WS above the TH7DX).

Now, let's discuss MFJ and Hy-Gain support. I raised the same question you just posted to MFJ and I got a message from the ham tech who apparently mans the Hy-Gain/Cushcraft desk.

This is what he said!!!!
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"It may be the screw connection between the inner and outer trap tubes. Remove the screw and inspect the connection point for corrosion or other problems.

If the swr is over 10:1 it is in the driven element. IF it is around 3-5.1 at resonance, it is either the front (Note - I assume he meant director) or rear trap (Note - Again I assume he meant reflector).

If you want to look inside the trap, find the dimples down the side of the trap, take a drill bit the same size, and drill out the dimples. The outer cover will slide off for inspection inside."
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Living on the salt water I have already lost two BN-86's to corrosion where they swaged the ground side of the contact inside. Leaving the balun open with the holes around the connector and the weep hole on the bottom is a disaster waiting to happen.

I happen to have a spare TH7DX from my PDX location which has been setting on sawhorses. I pulled a couple of traps off, removed the covers and low and behold, a totally corroded screw and an open on one, and on the second also a corroded screw. The beam has been down and setting for about 10 years. It worked perfectly in PDX land.

So, when I get the beam off I am going to go through all of the traps and fix the screw issue properly (I'm still contemplating the best solution for here). I'm replacing the HY-Gain balun too. Don't know how the BN-4000 is built but I suspect it also has an open case allowing for salt air intrusion or bugs whichever is your environment(few bugs here). Maybe the airwound balun or the use of the 2.4 in toroids would be better, have never used this method before.

Both beams performed well inland but are obviously not designed for an environment like mine (don't use stranded wire anymore either, have tried all the 'cleaning' remedies and have yet to find one that really works well).

Just as frustrated as you,

Don W7WLL

-----Original Message----- From: Gary Marks
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 11:18 AM
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: [TowerTalk] Traps and High SWR-troubleshooting problem ?

I have a Hy-Gain TH7-DX antenna that has a high SWR on 15M ONLY. With only about 30 watts power, the SWR is 1.5 to 1 but as soon as about 300 to 400 watts are applied, the SWR jumps to over 4 to 1. It works perfectly on 10M & 20M. I removed all the 15M traps looking for carbon tracking, dis-assembled them and wire brushed the coils and cleaned them with solvent.

After installing all the cleaned 15M traps I still have the same problem. At that point I removed both the 10M and 15M traps and wire brushed all the traps and re-installed them again with the same high SWR problem only on 15M. This time I kept my antenna tuner out of the system by installing a barrel connector between the in and out coax cables. While testing the SWR again on 15M, I just happened to touch the coax connector's (yes they were tight) at the barrel connector and they were VERY HOT.

At this point I replaced the BN-4000B balun with a new one and I still have the exact same problem.....a 4 to 1 SWR jump from 1.5 to 1 when applying over 300 watts or so on 15M ONLY.

Anyone have any idea what the problem might be ?

Gary
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