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On 11/23/2014 8:44 PM, Stan Labinsky Jr. wrote:
 
And I have a pet peeve with all of this.
 
Likewise.
Far more are injured, climbing, driving (without seat belts, helmets, 
safety gear).  I don't have the stats for climbing, but with cars we 
kill more than 30,000 a year, down from 50,000 before seat belts, air 
bags, and crush zones.  There are many times that number crippled for 
life.  The value of lost wages, medical costs, and personal care (home 
or professional) is huge. 
If the risk taker also provides income for a family, what then?
I've reached that point in life where age is catching up. No more 
climbing, no more yard work.  Think of the people that put themselves 
and their families in this position due to lack of responsibility.  We 
expect age to bring limitations, but what about when we are the direct 
cause of those limitations? 
We all grow old, but taking responsibility is something else.  It may be 
us taking the risks, but family, friends and work share in the 
problems,  Accidents raise the cost of items produced because of higher 
insurance premiums, overtime wages to cover for you, and a whole bunch 
of expenses to take care of the injuries. 
The, "I wanna be free" ignores the load (financial and emotional) we 
place on others. 
A friend was injured climbing and it's not uncommon.  Another was 
crippled for life in a motorcycle accident, and another was killed when 
he hit his head on a curb while riding bicycle with no helmet. These 
were all people I knew.      I've seen similar stories on the reflectors.
They were dismantling a tower.    They were down to 30 feet left when 
something happened.  Whether something broke the temporary guys, or they 
failed for some reason, the 30' stick broke.  He ended up, badly broken up.
When a person lives with pain and on pain killers they can get difficult 
to live with, or they can no longer provide for a family 
In all those cases a divorce followed.  The injured was left/deserted by 
those he or she expected would at least offer emotional support. 
Remember "No man is an island?"
73
Roger (K8RI)
 
I remember the furor raised over the motorcycle helmet laws.  They may 
be the right... the smart, thing, but why should I be forced to do 
"the right thing"... "I wanna be freeee!" 
And you could come down on either side of the argument, but, consider 
what happens to those who are stuck with the taking care of Mr. I 
don't care about doing the reasonable thing, "I'll do what I d^#n well 
please and if it's free climbing or crashing my bike without any 
reasonable self protection, tuff!" 
The folks who didn't experience the wreck get to experience the 
protracted long-term care of Mr. I don't give a s#!t.  They get to 
spend what should be theirs to keep his broken body running... does 
that seem right to you? These folks get to sit in anguish over a 
life... no lives turned on end. 
I think that there should be a document created that would force the 
dare devil to release those who would otherwise be saddled with the 
result of his (or her) trying for a Darwin Award of any financial 
responsibility caused by their behavior.  That includes the folks who 
don't even know that this individual even exists... except when they 
step up and pay their tax burden. 
If that seems a bit cold... so be it.  But, it may just cause some to 
wake up and see that their behavior affects more than just themselves. 
Now, taking off his curmudgeon hat and donning his flameproof drawers, 
he remains... 
Stan... born back when that Nazi was sharing his insanity with the world.
-----Original Message----- From: Patrick Greenlee
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:33 AM
To: 'Towertalk'
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] And we talk about free climbing !
Darwinian natural selection is thwarted in many instances these days as
society moves to protect those who would be eliminated if left to 
their own
devices.  This is not a good thing for the long term benefit of 
society and
in aggregate is self destructive to the human race.  You can swing too 
far 
in the other direction as well with such as eugenics as practiced by WWII
Nazis.  Virtually every time man has meddled in nature with such 
actions as
importing English sparrows to kill out a specific moth the results 
have been
a disaster.  The moth is gone and so are many of our native birds 
displaced 
by those sparrows.
More specifically, let people free climb if it is their freely made 
choice 
and not an imposition of  an employer.  Let nature take over and Identify
those to eliminate.  The rest of us will keep an eye peeled for 
bargains at 
SK estate sales.
Patrick NJ5G
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73
Roger (K8RI)
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