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Re: [TowerTalk] SteppIR

To: "'Doug Turnbull'" <turnbull@net1.ie>, "'Joe Subich, W4TV'" <lists@subich.com>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] SteppIR
From: "Dick Green WC1M" <wc1m73@gmail.com>
Reply-to: wc1m73@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 22:09:11 -0500
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I believe the brushes Joe mentioned are the ones that connect the balun to
the copper-beryllium element ribbons. Nothing to do with the stepper motors
but another potential point of failure.

73, Dick WC1M

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Turnbull [mailto:turnbull@net1.ie]
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 4:25 PM
> To: 'Joe Subich, W4TV'; towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] SteppIR
> 
> Joe and OMs,
>      I do not believe a stepper motor has any brush contacts.    It does
not
> create the rotating magnetic field in this manner.   There are alternate N
> and S poles on the rotor and the magnetic field on the stator is varied
> N-S-N to cause rotation.    Am I wrong in my understanding?
> 
>                    73 Doug EI2CN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> Joe Subich, W4TV
> Sent: 27 February 2015 15:27
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] SteppIR
> 
> 
>  > My question: With a SteppIR beam, what is the tradeoff of the fixed  >
> element spacing on gain and pattern?  Especially compared to the  > multi-
> yagis-on-one-boom high end multiband antennas.
> 
> There is no trade-off in gain.  Gain is almost entirely a function of
> boom length as long as you don't have to few elements.   For example,
> SteppIR antennas all show more gain on 10/12 meters than the multi-
> monoband yagis simply because the SteppIR antennas utilize the entire
> boom length on all bands where the multi-monoband antennas typically use
> 60-70% of the available boom length on each band.
> 
> Where the boom is "short" and the spacing is narrow, you give up bandwidth
> but SteppIR compensates by retuning.
> 
> When the boom is "long" and the spacing is wide you give up some F/B.
> For example, the 3 element SteppIR shows F/B of "only" 15 dB on 12 meters
> and 11 dB on 10 meters vs. 25 dB on 20 and 17 meters.  You see similar F/B
> declines with the 4 element antenna.
> 
> With SteppIR the trade off is increased complexity (the stepper motors and
> brush contacts) while with the typical overlaid multi- monoband antenna
the
> trade off is decreased gain for a given boom length.  All of this is
verifiable
> with a few hours spent using a good antenna modelling program.
> 
> 73,
> 
>    ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2015-02-27 9:51 AM, Al Kozakiewicz wrote:
> > I was tempted to hijack the Mosley thread, but it should probably be
> allowed to die peacefully.
> >
> > I discovered a few years ago that you can't ask any questions where an
> honest answer might be construed as a criticism on the SteppIR forums.
The
> dialog degenerates into something resembling the useless old alt.advocacy
> newsgroups.
> >
> > My question: With a SteppIR beam, what is the tradeoff of the fixed
> element spacing on gain and pattern?  Especially compared to the multi-
> yagis-on-one-boom high end multiband antennas.  You're pretty much in the
> same territory price-wise.
> >
> > Al
> > AB2ZY
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