| One other thought - if I understand correctly, metric tubing does not 
telescope as tightly as US 0.058/0.120" wall.  So squeezing the inner 
tube to the far side is a way to compensate for the extra slop.  A 
logical solution for Optibeam, but I think a bad idea if 0.058/0.120 
wall tubing is available. 
Grant KZ1W
On 8/13/2015 8:42 AM, Grant Saviers wrote:
 An interesting experience, building so many antennas.  Thanks for the 
support of the WRTC event.
I need some help understanding why this works better than other means 
(e.g. two cross bolts) 
1. it requires an expensive, hard to find drill bit, which can only be 
re-sharpened cnc
2. and a second longer drill to reach the other wall, unless custom 
made step/counterbore drills are used with a long enough pilot size
3. the step drills you reference drill 0.250" vs the 0.226" head 
diameter of the 18-8 SHCS 6-32 from McMaster.  What is the benefit of 
the slop?  Or were custom major diameter step drills used?  I'd have 
to do some deeper research, but suspect the standards don't tolerance 
cap screw head diameters as tightly as screw diameters/threads.  Maybe 
that is why, even with a drawer full of them, I never seem to have the 
right size counterbore :-( 
And mechanically, what is the reasoning that it is better? (beating 
rivets is easy!)  Cross bolts tighten the tubes against each other in 
two planes.  Absolutely no wiggle.  Works on large antennas. 
OTOH, this may be a production manufacturer's tolerance shortcut - 
drill a large hole in one side helps to insure interchange of 
elements, since the outer tube holes don't need to go exactly thru the 
tube center.  Or if the inner tube holes are slightly off center there 
is enough slop for the bolt to pass through.  With a single screw, 
there is no hole pitch tolerance requirement. Smaller, lighter beams 
made for a price point, and limited wind - I get it. 
I use two 3" or 4" Chinese cast iron v-blocks (<$20) screwed to a 24" 
long plywood base to drill press drill assembled element holes, drill 
first one, insert screw, turn 90 deg (visually measured), drill 
second.  No special drill, two steps. No hacksawing of slots for hose 
clamps.  These aren't cnc'd tolerances so elements are not 
interchangeable, but that isn't a requirement I have for homebuilt. A 
volume manufacturer would likely develop tooling to enable interchange 
of elements. 
http://www.shars.com/products/measuring/layout-setup-tools/4-x-1-5-8-x-2-5-8-high-quality-cast-iron-v-block 
Grant KZ1W
On 8/13/2015 7:20 AM, Jim Thomson wrote:
 ##  I understand counter bore.... but how can you do a counter bore, 
when the tubing thickness is paper thin to begin with... like .058 
wall etc?
Jim  VE7RF
-----Original Message----- From: Stan Stockton
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 6:53 AM
To: Jim Thomson
Cc: <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Shorty Forty Hose Clamp thread
After about 40 years of making my own antennas I learned something a 
few years ago when faced with assembling 65 tribanders (520 elements) 
we made for WRTC2014. 
I was introduced to the element joint attachment method I am told is 
used by Optibeam.  I was skeptical when I heard the verbal 
description, having settled on pop rivets after every other 
conceivable method about 20 years ago. 
I made one element with pop rivets and another with a single 
stainless steel socket head cap screw with a counterbore (head 
clearance on socket head screw) for one wall of the larger diameter 
tubing for each joint, then grabbed each one in the center and 
violently shook them back and forth.  The one with SHCS joints felt 
like one solid piece of tubing as compared to the pop riveted one. 
It is so easy and so solid, I will never mess with pop rivets again.
A V block fixture with stops, drill press and some of these bits 
along with straight bits for the smaller diameter tube drilling are 
all that is needed. 
http://www.wttool.com/index/page/category/category_id/14686/
make the job easy in comparison to many methods.  The counterbore is 
important.  Use stainless nylock nuts. 
YMMV but I'm sold on it.
73...Stan, K5GO
Sent from Stan's IPhone
 
On Aug 13, 2015, at 7:42 AM, Jim Thomson <jim.thom@telus.net> wrote:
The rest of the yagi should be using  3 x rivets
at each joint.
Jim  VE7RF
 
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