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Re: [TowerTalk] RFI Broadcast Station Mixing in Crank-Up tower?

To: "Roger (K8RI) on TT" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] RFI Broadcast Station Mixing in Crank-Up tower?
From: mike.lyon@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:19:47 -0700
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Any rust on that tower/antenna or on the galvanized rope that is used to crank 
it up? 

-Mike, KE6MRE

> On Oct 19, 2015, at 23:09, Roger (K8RI) on TT <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> There are a lot of possible spots where the  mixing can happen.
> 
> This brings up the question:  Mixing with what?  Nearby AM stations, ham 
> bands, and why every 10 KHz?  What is the primary station, or stations and 
> their frequencies?
> 
> "Any section" making poor contact with those above or below, making contact 
> with coax braid, tension causing poor contact in connectors.
> 
> It's pretty certain it's related to cranking the tower up, but is it due to 
> poor contact in that position, or that it picks up more signal?
> 
> I assume the mixing is gone during the raising and lowering process.  If not, 
> does it just get weaker as the tower is lowered?
> I'd be surprised that it's not strong near the full extension while moving.
> 
> Places to start::  If the mixing is only present at full extension, check for 
> tension on the coax at the antennas, rotator loops, and at the cable stand 
> offs.  Check the cable jackets, particularly where they pass through the 
> stand offs.  Check cable jackets where they can move against each other.
> 
> Use a VNA to check all coax at full and partial extension.  Don't ignore 
> rotator cables and connectors  either
> If you don't have one, beg, borrow, or purchase one.  With the tower fully 
> extended on a windy day, watch the traces for changes.  Have you tried a 
> spectrum analyzer? Even the ones in the newer rigs can be helpful, but you 
> need to look between the bands as well.
> 
> Check the places on the tower sections where the skids/pads contact adjacent 
> sections for excessive wear and or missing galvanizing,
> 
> When the local repeater was here, I could block a 50W mobile a mile or two 
> distant simply by rubbing a 10" screwdriver against any of the galvanized guy 
> wires which were broken up with insulators.  I had a TB3 tribander just below 
> the repeater antenna @ 90 feet.  Legal limit on 10, 15, or 20 did not bother 
> the repeater.
> 
> 73
> 
> Roger  (K8RI)
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/19/2015 10:03 PM, Rich Hallman - N7TR wrote:
>> Has anyone had any problems with intermittent mixing from a close broadcast 
>> station with a Crank-Up tower?  I think I may have an issue with one of my 
>> towers.   Cranked up I hear mixing all over 80 meters (Every 10 
>> KC).....Cranked down its gone.  I already eliminated the antennas.  Mixing 
>> gets very intermittent in wind as the tower moves around.
>> 
>> Thoughts about grounding the top section to the bottom when fully extended?  
>> Was thinking of grounding the coax at the top and bottom of the tower?
>> 
>> Thanks....
>> 
>> 
>> Rich N7TR
>> ex KI3V, N3AMK, WB3JOV
>> www.n7tr.com<http://www.n7tr.com>
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>> Telnet: dxc.n7tr.com N7TR DXCluster
>> 
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