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Re: [TowerTalk] what is 'circular tie' as is used in a towers concrete b

To: Patrick Greenlee <patrick_g@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] what is 'circular tie' as is used in a towers concrete base?
From: Andre VanWyk via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Andre VanWyk <kr5dx@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:54:21 -0500
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I used my hydraulic log splitter to bend all the rebar for my 165ft Rohn 55g 
base and anchor blocks to Rohn spec. I made two "shoes" for each end of the 
splitter to protect the splitter ends. Worked like a charm! Very little elbow 
grease spilled! 
73
NJ0F

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> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:06 AM, Patrick Greenlee <patrick_g@windstream.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> Harbor Freight (Northern Tool too, I think) sells hydraulic pipe benders that 
> come with interchangeable "jaws?  mandrels?" of different sizes.   These 
> aren't all that expensive and do a great job.  They have a built in rollers 
> and a hydraulic jack that you manually pump to get the bending.  Easy to 
> pump.  Goes slow enough that there is no worry about going too far too fast,  
> Easy to get the desired radius of curvature.  You can single handed bend a 
> circle with a 20 ft length of rebar or make a much tighter bend if desired.  
> I have had mine for over 20 years.
> 
> Patrick        NJ5G
> 
> 
>> On 10/20/2015 11:05 PM, Roger (K8RI) on TT wrote:
>> My opinion:
>> Typically the rebar only adds strength to the concrete base.  IOW, You don't 
>> need as large a base, or as strong a mix when rebar is used.  If you were 
>> "positive" the base could maintain structural integrity under any conditions 
>> you wouldn't need rebar.
>> 
>> Regardless of whether welded or tied, The rebar normally doesn't need a 
>> rigid connections.  The ties only keep the rebar in place during the pour.
>> 
>> If you don't need precision and are not making sharp bends in big stuff you 
>> might be able to do the bending with a manual conduit bender.   Welding just 
>> makes building a rugged cage that can stand rough handling easier.  Just be 
>> sure to use rebar made for welding.  Welds on the normal stuff are quite 
>> fragile.
>> 
>> Bending rod, rerod, pipe, etc...into a circle is usually done with three 
>> rollers.  The rollers  (Which usually have a radius cut into them to keep 
>> the rod centered) are mounted in a triangular shape with the bottom of the 
>> center one slightly below the tops of the outside rollers  (The height of 
>> this roller is adjustable).  To bend much of anything, these things can be 
>> pretty hefty.  The distance between the rollers is surprisingly short.  
>> Having them close reduces, or eliminates waste.
>> 
>> There is a bit of a learning curve, but it's neither steep nor long. A rough 
>> explanation:  The center roller is raised so the rod can be inserted  over 
>> the outside rollers and under the center roller. Then the center roller is 
>> lowered and tension applied. The first pass produces a shallow arc. The 
>> center roller is lowered for each successive pass which tightens the arc 
>> eventually into a circle
>> 
>> I've seen the rollers mounted into the top of a steel bench with a movable 
>> center wheel.  The rollers are powered and a center screw, or hydraulic ram 
>> powers the movement of the center roller.  With those you have to be aware 
>> of the thd of tht piece coming back, or you could skewer yourself.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Roger (K8RI
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/20/2015 11:29 AM, StellarCAT wrote:
>>> Rohn says to use 8 #7 rebar (SERIOUSLY! 7/8”!!) ... and then it shows ‘#4 
>>> circular ties 2 1/2” OC with 2” cover with 24” laps’
>>> 
>>> huh?
>>> 
>>> I’ve always just dug a hole – usually around 3 x 3 x 3 ... put the tower 
>>> section in (with temp guys) ... put in a few pieces of 1/2” re bar and been 
>>> done with it .... but now I have to follow the Rohn specifications which 
>>> seem onerous at best (I know, I know – guys that say “follow it to the 
>>> letter”) ... and I’ve no clue what #4 circular tie is. SURELY its not #4 
>>> rebar BENT in a circle!?
>>> 
>>> Googling so far hasn’t shown me anything that helps.
>>> 
>>> Gary
>>> K9RX
>>> 
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