| As a "personal choice", my hands are no longer steady enough to prevent 
getting solder on the outside of the center pin so I'm relegated to 
using the crimp type although I'd not seen any for the DIN. I would add 
that I can now hold the solder with my left hand if a lot of movement 
isn't required.
I "would think" if the commercial guys are using crimp, it should be 
reliable enough. 
OTOH I think this is a good place for long time users to chime in with 
their experiences. 
73
Roger (K8RI)
On 9/5/2016 Monday 8:44 PM, Bob K6UJ wrote:
 
Roger,
Great overview on connectors !
One thing that I am wondering about is whether or not to get the 
solder type
center pin on the DIN connectors.  I see them clamp or crimp style for 
the outer shield and also
solder or non solder on the center pin.  I like the crimp style outer 
and clamp is fine too, but not sure
if getting a non solder center pin is a concern.   Whats your view on 
the center pin attachment ?
I remember discussions here on Tower Talk in the past about center pin 
creep in type N connectors. 
The DIN is a different animal though...........
Bob
K6UJ
On 9/5/16 5:08 PM, Roger (K8RI) on TT wrote:
 I see a lot of preferences from UHF, To :N: type, to DIN, but for the 
average ham, does it make a difference?
Take UHF, essentially the design is crude and they are cheap! The 
loss figures are high, but those figures are for frequencies few hams 
ever approach and the connector specs say up to 300 MHz and 500 
volts.. On HF the loss is minuscule. The arguments are those figures 
add up and they do, but it's still a very small value. With SO2R and 
remote antenna switches, plus the rotator loops and pigtails to the 
antennas I've counted as many as ten connectors between the rig and 
antennas, but the loss was barely detectable. Impedance bumps? Yes, 
they are there, but what do the mean? Added up for the 160 through 10 
meter bands, they are insignificant. I can see where the reflections 
"might" make a difference with digital modes, but it's still very 
small.  The only down side I can see is the learning curve for the 
solder types.  "Probably" the average ham does a miserable job of 
soldering them, over heating the connector and coax when soldering 
the braid, turning the coax dielectric into a mass of goo, while 
getting solder on the exterior of the center conductor pin. 
Off brand UHF connectors: Many adherents say Amphenol 
http://www.amphenolrf.com/connectors/uhf.html  is the only way to go 
and they do have reasonably good quality control.  As I said at the 
beginning, the original connector design is crude, but it was 
designed long ago.  They are easy to make, so there are many off 
brand connectors of various qualities. Amphenol lists both Nickel and 
silver finish as well as a whole slew of dielectrics from Phenolic 
and Styrene, to Teflon and more.  The off brand stuff varies, but a 
good inspection by the Ham who knows what to look for, there are good 
ones out there.  The typical Ham would do better sticking with known 
brands, but with the UHF design, the important point is whether the 
particular connector will pass the test of time.  OTOH even 
top-of-the-line connectors are inexpensive and if you purchase very 
many, the discount makes them about the price of the stuff you see at 
the swaps.. 
Installed according to the directions (braid on the inside and 
properly soldered), the connector will provide reasonable 
strength.       NOTE UHF connectors are not weatherproof! 
N-Type. Not for those running "high power". By high power, I'm nor 
referring to 1500 watts. 
http://www.amphenolrf.com/connectors/n-type.html  OK, so they 
represent less insertion loss with less impedance, but what do they 
gain us at 160 through 10?.  Amphenol lists them "These connectors 
are used in all systems where excellent RF and mechanical performance 
is critical."  I'm not sure by what they mean when they refer to 
mechanical performance, but I've never found the typical N-type 
connector I couldn't pull off the coax with my hands (crimp type 
excepted) In my experience, They have two limitations.  Mechanical 
strength and center pin migration are the problems I've seen. 
Mechanical strength is pretty much self explanatory. Center Pin 
Migration? On vertical runs, the center conductor in many, if not 
most coax cables will slowly move downward  This tends to pull the 
center pin, in on the top connector, and push the center pin out on 
the bottom connector. This doesn't happen with connectors where the 
center pin is captive. 
DIN (7-16) connectors. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7/16_DIN_connector Is kinda like an 
N-connectors on steroids. The 7-16, or 7/16 is the size of the center 
pin (7 mm) and the ID of the outer connector (16 mm) They are still a 
bit on the expensive side and not for the ham who purchases 
connectors at swaps to save a buck, but " It is among the most widely 
used high power RF connectors in cellular network 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_network> antenna systems." 
and "The 7-16 DIN connector out performs other non-flange options, 
such as N connectors <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N_connector> or 
BNC connectors <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_connector>, when it 
comes to interference and intermodulation rejection or higher power 
handling at RF frequencies.^[1] 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7/16_DIN_connector#cite_note-UTC-1>" 
(Quoted from the above Link) 
Adapters: Amphenol lists 689 adapters. Pages from 
http://www.amphenolrf.com/adapters.html However, other than the most 
common it's likely the distributor would need to special order them. 
Crimp, Vs solder. Other than requiring a specialized crimp tool, 
crimp connectors tend to be more uniform, faster to install, and 
mechanically stronger than the solder type.  Properly adjusted cable 
prep tools (strippers) really speed things up and present identical 
cable ends to the connectors with the proper dimensions. Nearly 
identical crimp tools can be found with widely varying prices.  One 
crimp tool with two sets of inserts can cover cables from RG-58 
through RG-8 (LMR-400) sizes. Depending on the vendor, nearly all 
connectors for these cables are available in solder or crimp versions. 
NOTE The RG designation has not been a specification for many years. 
It simply refers to cable sizes. Nothing more. 
So the question is, why would the average, or typical ham need 
anything other than the crimp, or solder, UHF connector? 
A SIDE NOTE: on weather proofing: There are several approaches to 
weatherproofing. One uses vinyl electrical tape wound sticky side out 
over the connectors, to keep the weatherproofing material (coax seal, 
various self vulcanizing tapes, and "flooded" heat shrink tubing) 
from sticking to the connector Flooded heat shrink tubing has a layer 
of hot melt glue on the inside. If you don't want the glue to stick 
to the connector, a film of Silicone grease or mold release agent, 
will allow for a seal without the glue sticking to the connector. 
Just don't get any on the coax jacket. Me?  I make sure it's all 
clean and bond to the whole works. 
By bonding to the coax jackets and the connectors, the flooded heat 
shrink tubing makes for a very strong mechanical connection. 
One other comment: In over 55 years as a ham, I've only seen two bad 
connectors from Amphenol. I can't say that  for the few "brand 
unknown", I've purchased from swaps. 
73
Roger (K8RI)
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