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Re: [TowerTalk] More on Half Wave (and HFTA)

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] More on Half Wave (and HFTA)
From: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 17:20:09 -0700
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The HFTA terrain file is a simple ordered list, and as you say it can be edited with any text editor.  Each line in the text file represents a different data point ... the first number is the range, followed by a space and then elevation.

It literally just looks like this:

0  100
10  102
20  103
30  103
47  102
50  101
55  99
57  98
etc

The only other requirement is that the file have a .pro file extension.  I found that the easiest way to do that was to take an existing sample .pro file and just edit the heck out of it.

ALL of my terrain files were hand generated in a text editor using data manually picked off a terrain graph from a program called DeLorme 3D TopoMaps back when it would still run under older versions of Windows.  By doing that I could choose data points with approximately similar difference in elevations instead of data points with the same difference in range.  If I saw any spot that looked more complicated I just used smaller increments.  Keep in mind that HFTA essentially draws straight lines between data points so if you use constant range spacing between points you can easily turn a rounded mound into a sharp peak, and sharp peaks give different ray trace results than rounded ones.

I live on a long steep slope facing generally eastward, with the bottom of the valley roughly seven miles away.  There are folks who claim that a few thousand meters or so is all the further anyone should have to collected data points, but that's a garbage generalization.  I have another mountain range about 15 miles east of me and by editing the terrain file to either include it or not I can see definite differences.

In case anyone wants to see what a modest tower on a steep slope can do for (or to) your signal, check out

http://www.ab7e.com/HFTA/AB7E_HFTA.html

73,
Dave   AB7E



On 1/19/2019 2:43 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
Thanks Shawn.  Yes, Dean told me the same things., but he also advised me to run a lot of simulations to find those that didn't have that spatial aliasing.  BTW -- the terrain data is a plain text file, and can be manually edited. It's been more than 10 years since I did it, so I don't remember format of that file, but I did generate one radial of data by taking points off of a topo map. It might be possible to manually edit a file to use different point spacing along different parts of the radial.

The links to the modeling software within your older post seem to be dead.

73, Jim K9YC

On 1/19/2019 10:17 AM, Shawn Donley wrote:
Since terrain effects have entered the discussion, here's my 2 cents (probably less) on the subject. Like any modeling program, be careful interpreting HFTA results.   See my earlier post at:


http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-07/msg00350.html



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