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Re: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Re: Need a Knot Expert

To: Gedas <>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Re: Need a Knot Expert
From: Matthew Kaufman <>
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 09:07:05 -0800
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Put a figure-8-on-a-bight (with an overhand safety) at the end of each rope
(strongest way to create a loop at a rope end, outperforms the bowline)
Join them with a carabiner. Attach other things at that carabiner. (Or
attach carabiners on each to a load plate and attach all you want to that).
You can leave the figure-8’s on your haul and tag ropes indefinitely,
because this a almost always how you want to be set up and it doesn’t hunt

You never want to attach two bowlines or two figure-8 knots directly
without a carabiner in between as the loops will chafe each other as they
move and cause rope failure. This is particularly true of any synthetic
rope with jacket and core construction.

If you really insist on trying two ropes end to end, use a double
fisherman’s knot. But it won’t leave you a loop. If you then really need a
loop and don’t have hardware, add a figure-8-on-bight tied mid-line style
(some great pictures online if you’ve never seen that)

I can tie a bowline one-handed too... but I never use them for anything.

Matthew Kaufman, KA6SQG
(Former Boy Scout and current EMT trained in rope rescue systems)

On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 11:45 AM Gedas <> wrote:

> Hi Steve and happy thanksgiving to you and yours as well. You got
> everything spot on but (possibly) missed one very important requirement.
> I think you knew it but did not mention it. I wanted to join two lines
> together but ALSO end up with a fixed loop, ideally in the middle of the
> knot.
> I have no idea if such a knot exists but I have been given enough
> awesome ideas and help that I will end up using two Bowlines put
> together and just run a temporary chain link thru one of the loops (or
> both of the loops) and call it a day.
> If you will forgive my 1st grade artistic work of my image at the URL
> below this is what I had originally hoped was available, or at least
> something similar to it before all the ideas poured in. TU everyone agn
> very much. 73
> Gedas, W8BYA
> Gallery at
> Light travels faster than sound....
> This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
> On 11/28/2019 1:01 PM, k7lxc--- via TowerTalk wrote:
> > Howdy, TowerTalkians -
> >
> >      Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate it and warm good wishes
> to everyone else!
> >      I've been following this thread with some interest. In my book UP
> THE TOWER - The Complete Guide To Tower Construction (available from
>, I have a whole chapter on knots and rope management.
> >
> >      I've worked on over 260 ham installations where most times the
> owner was the ground person. I can count on one hand how many of them knew
> any knots at all. In my book I say that if you are trapped on a desert
> island and can only take one knot with you - it'd be the bowline. A lot of
> my ropes and knots experience came thru my days of mountain climbing. It
> was there where it was suggested that you practice the bowline in a cold
> shower in the dark since it may come down to that.
> >
> >      The original post wanted to tie 2 ropes together where of course
> I'd have suggested 2 bowlines. Other suggestions like a square knot with
> half hitches on each end works great as well. (BTW I always triple knot
> half hitches for guaranteed safety.) Suggestions for more sophisticated
> knots were good but really outside the scope of your typical amateur.
> >      I also endorse the figure 8 which is indeed easy to tie and untie
> but for my tower experience it is too big to be at the end of your haul
> line where an inch one way or another is the difference between an easy
> successful job and needing that extra inch for a lift and not having it.
> >
> >      In my tower work I also use the clove hitch and the trucker's
> hitch. They're both easy and wonderful when you need them.
> >
> >      I don't think this is a new topic (a rare occurrence!) but doesn't
> come up often so I hope everyone got something out of this thread.
> >
> > Cheers,Steve     K7LXCTOWER TECH -Professional tower services for
> amateursCell: 206-890-4188
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