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Re: [TowerTalk] solid THHN vs jacketed copperweld

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] solid THHN vs jacketed copperweld
From: Steve Maki <lists@oakcom.org>
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 15:19:37 -0400
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I my case I had insulation on both wires, so I was mainly interested in the VF difference between solid copper and copperweld at 3.5 MHZ.

I had sworn off copperweld many years ago after noting that the copper plating did not last forever. But I recently discovered that there is an insulated version which is marketed to directional borers to pull in outside of the conduit as a tracer wire.

The PVC should protect the plating...at least until it falls off.

-Steve K8LX

On 9/20/2022 1:10 PM, Grant Saviers wrote:
The dielectric loading of insulation makes the wire electrically longer for RF.  EZNEC can model it, if you know the dielectric constant (usually around 3 for PVC, nylon) and thickness.

The height of the dipole has a larger effect.  Plus for 160 & 80 quality copperweld is needed with thick copper, so the internal field (skin depth) is in the copper, not in the steel which will cause high losses.

Grant KZ1W

On 9/19/2022 14:56, Steve Maki wrote:
Wondering whether there is any substantial difference between #12 solid THHN and #12 PVC jacketed copperweld (steel) in terms of cutting a dipole to length.

I'm in the process of installing a K8UR style 80M four square. I trimmed the first element to length using THHN. Then I decided that I should use steel wire for at least the top half of the elements because of the high wire tension I ended up with after pulling the feed-point out far enough from the array center. It's an issue with not enough acreage around the tower.

Even so I ended up with a 50 ohm antenna rather than the desired 30-40 ohm antenna per the DXE instruction manual. But that's an entirely difference issue (though I'd appreciate any comments on that as well).

Should I expect the steel wire lengths to be pretty close to the THHN lengths, or should I re-do the initial step of carefully cutting the first element in isolation?

TIA!

-Steve K8LX

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