is that all u can dig up.. i thought he said
At LEAST have
something better than the 'blurry photograph of bigfoot' type of
evidence that seems to exist so far...
their website says they did something like this in the 1970s....
"They introduced the idea of microwave portable stations, and sent those
microwave stations to many nearby sections" ....
http://www.mgef.org/history.htm
w9ray
frank bechdoldt wrote:
>the proof was in QST last summer they showed it in an article.
>Though not your clubs call sign. Nor any mention of that club.
>A club sending out individual stations in not nearly as bad as a group
>circling each other.
>that being said I would never elmer kids to only work a single station.
>This forum is for serious issues too and I believe its serious.
>
>
>
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>>[Original Message]
>>From: Bill Katt <alienmenace@gmail.com>
>>To: Bob Naumann - W5OV <w5ov@w5ov.com>
>>Cc: <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
>>Date: 8/18/2005 5:18:42 PM
>>Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] What about me? I am captive.
>>
>>Sir, and others of your unfortunate opinions,
>>
>> It would be appreciated if you would stop badmouthing W2SZ. It is
>>perhaps worth mentioning, for those who may not know, that W2SZ is a
>>callsign granted to a SMALL CLUB AT RPI. That's Rensselaer
>>Polytechnic Institute, for those who may not know. It's a small
>>school in Troy, NY where geeks from around the country gather to
>>pursue degrees in engineering, science, and the like.
>>
>> It is certainly worth mentioning that this list is freely available
>>to any who would search it out. Similarly, it is worth mentioning
>>that many amateur radio operators are trained as HAMs as children,
>>growing up with a father or mother who operates. Accordingly, these
>>young HAMs may contest, or simply read this list, unbeknownst to those
>>regulars in attendance.
>>
>> Further, some of these young operators may sometime attend RPI, and
>>have the chance to participate in the amateur radio club W2SZ while
>>there. As a former officer of said club, I know that it is difficult
>>lately to attract people to this particular hobby, as with the advent
>>of instant messaging, cell phones, and the like, the possibility of
>>being able to talk to persons miles if not countries away has lost
>>some novelty and thus appeal.
>>
>> This being said, it is hard enough to attract new person to this
>>hobby without there being submitted for public perusal various
>>incentives to avoid it. It is similarly hard to suggest to
>>independant amateur enthusiasts the benefits of joining a school club,
>>which for many has provided a wonderful place to congregate, discuss
>>ideas, etc., without those potential members having thrown in their
>>face that being a member of W2SZ, or even a former member, somehow
>>taints them and their opinions, making them 'less than HAMs' in a
>>way... this should not be allowed. Many might consider this outright
>>slander, as the concept presented thus far by the accusers seems to be
>>'guilty of anything we invent till proven innocent, and then still
>>guilty anyways'.
>>
>> You seem most interested in inventing bogey men, scaring children so
>>they'll behave and 'rove properly' or some such nonsense. That the
>>primary arguments in favor of captivated roving are a desire to teach
>>HAMs new techniques, expand band use, and encourage activity during
>>contests while the primary arguments against captive rovers are that
>>they dare to use non-standard (but still quite legal) portions of
>>bands, possibly make their schedules in collaboration with others, do
>>not work enough stations to be considered 'real rovers', and are
>>affiliated with W2SZ (which seems to be a major component of at least
>>some definitions) is truly frightening.
>>
>> That many here would condemn a rover trying his or her best merely
>>because of minimal contacts made, rather than congratulating him or
>>her, is similarly terrifying.
>>
>> That the comment 'Please, think when able, sir. Then speak.' by Dave
>>Page was interpreted as a desire to restrict free speech (it being the
>>only part of Page's comments that could be interpreted to mean 'keep
>>your mouth shut') is sort of funny, really.
>>
>> However, that ANY of this so called evil and taint might be
>>associated with a school club whos goal is to share amateur radio with
>>students on campus, and to have a good time doing it, is truly
>>sinister.
>>
>> If those on this list really must continue believing in the 'captive
>>rover' myth, and accusing various rovers, stations and operators of
>>participating, please come forward with proof. At LEAST have
>>something better than the 'blurry photograph of bigfoot' type of
>>evidence that seems to exist so far. But regardless of what may be
>>said, PLEASE stop insulting those associated with W2SZ merely because
>>they're associated with W2SZ.
>>
>> Propagation is part of radio, I realise this. However, I somehow
>>doubt that the forefathers of the electron and other waveforms thought
>>that the propagation of rumors would become so common. But leave the
>>guilt by association out of it. It's not fair to those who might have
>>a good time with a good radio club to tell them that many HAMs
>>countrywide will suddenly think of them as dirt if they let themselves
>>join up. And FAIRNESS is what this whole captive-rover spiel is
>>about, isn't it?
>>
>>On 8/18/05, Bob Naumann - W5OV <w5ov@w5ov.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>KD3NC said:
>>>
>>>
>>>>My position is my own and not at all representative of W2SZ's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>operators or crew. <
>>>
>>>Dave,
>>>
>>>My noting of your association with W2SZ was not to imply that you
>>>represented them, but rather to show that you are biased in this
>>>discussion.
>>>
>>>If you choose to continue to deny the fact that all of those captive
>>>rovers are part of the W2SZ team, and therefore should be subject to
>>>the rules as I described earlier, please feel free to continue living
>>>in denial.
>>>
>>>I am going to continue to speak out, and express my very differing
>>>opinion.
>>>
>>>You also seem to think that this somehow is driven by my needing to
>>>improve my score, or will give me some competitive advantage, wrong
>>>again.
>>>
>>>Did you think I was empowered to change the rules? Thanks, but that is
>>>done by people at or directed by the people at the ARRL HQ.
>>>
>>>Strange that you mention Stalin, since you want to prevent me from
>>>speaking freely.
>>>
>>>73,
>>>Bob W5OV
>>>
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