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Re: [VHFcontesting] VE3CRU/R contest itinerary

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Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] VE3CRU/R contest itinerary
From: "Bill Burgess" <ve3cru@rac.ca>
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 19:48:45 -0400
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This contest, the focus will be on dx grids, having 1296 for the first time.
The travel plans are as follows:

Saturday:
FN14ba - 1800z to 2000z
FN13bx - 2030z to 2130z
FN04xa - 2200z to 0000z

Sunday:.
FN03sx - 0030z to 0230z

Sunday:
EN92xx - 1430z to 1530z
FN02ax - 1530z to 1630z
EN93xa - 1630z to 1730z
EN92uq - 1800z to 2000z
EN82sb - 2300z to 0200z (Monday)

Equipment lineup as follows:

50 - 25 watts to dipole
144 - 100 watts to K1FO 12 elmt
223 - 30 watts to K1FO 16 elmt V pol., H by request
432 - 100 watts to K1FO 22 elmt
903 - 40 watts to 34 looper
1296 - 10 watts to pair of 45 loopers
2304 - 3 watts to pair of 45 loopers

Looking forward to working from the EN grids and hoping for great
conditions.   Hope to put you in my log.   144.265 when not s & p.

73,

Bill   VE3CRU/R



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> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:49:19 EDT
> From: Stanka1ze@aol.com
> Subject: [VHFcontesting] FN01 Contest 144.165
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> After the June contest there were several threads about the use of 144.200
in
> the contest. I am a SOHP station located more than 100 miles from any
major
> VHF population. I have always called CQ for most of the contest as close
to
> 144.200 as QRM would allow. The upcoming September contest I will try and
call CQ
> on 144.165. I am hoping to prove that my fellow contesters know how to
tune
> the dial. I will be running high power with good antennas on the 50 - 1296
> bands.
>
> Good luck to all, listen for the weak ones and TUNE that Dial!
> 73, Stan, KA1ZE/3, FN01xt
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:11:12 -0400
> From: "Bill Burgess" <ve3cru@rac.ca>
> Subject: [VHFcontesting] DEM 2318PA amp question
> To: <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
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> I have a used DEM 2318PA without spec sheet.  I need to know if the key
line goes to ground or +13.8.  Grounding presently not working.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bill   VE3CRU
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:39:57 -0700
> From: <k2kw-8@adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] 6m Take off angles?
> To: Fred Lass <felasstic@yahoo.com>
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> Hi Fred,
>
> QSL on the higher lobe... I was thinking that the 2nd lobe, typically in
the 30-40 degree take off range, was where the Es angles were... I didn't
realize they were generally low (I consider 10 degrees take off angle as the
demarcation between low and high, at least for HF work).
>
> HFTA by N6BV has been heavily used for my 6-80m planning, and on paths
that don't have any terrain slope advantage, an antenna in the 55-60' range
(my max allowable height due to zoning) is better.  Where I have a good
slope, the 30-35' high antnena is better.
>
> I will have to take a pick on which paths I want to eek out the most low
angle gain.
>
> Thanks again,  Kenny K2KW
>
>
>
> ---- Fred Lass <felasstic@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi Kenny;
> >
> > First you must know the terrain around the antennas.  If it is flat,
here are some general guidelines.  A pair of antennas at 20' and 40' is good
for intense, close-in, Sporadic E.  The higher lobe that is supressed is too
high angle to be refelected by most E clouds.  F2 is usually best with a
very low angle, so higher the better.  The same is true for ground wave.
> >
> > If you have any slope near your tower, N6BV's ray tracing software is
needed to figure out the best heights.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > k2kw-8@adelphia.net wrote: Hi All,
> >
> > I just did some reading in the archives, though I couldn't find anything
that addressed my question:
> >
> > What are the important take off angles for Es, F2 etc?
> >
> > I am in the planning stage of putting up my 6m antenna.  It will likely
be a single 50' boom antenna, and likely go at the 40-60' level.  I guess my
main target will be DXing at the top of the cycle, though I will surely get
on for the summer Es season.  If I have the ability, I would put up a 2nd
small boom yagi on the other tower, but right now that's not likely.
> >
> > I'm comfortable with how take off angles work in HF, but clueless on 6m
take off angles.  I hear people talking about antennas for high and low
angles, but I don't know what "high and low angles" are.  What's confusing
in the archives, is that people use a 2 stack at the 20' & 40' levels for
high angle, yet the stack eliminates the upper lobes, so you mainly get a
single lobe.
> >
> > I would like to put up a stack, but I don't think that's in the cards,
or the bottom antenna would be fixed (might be useful when targeting EU for
example)
> >
> > In running HFTA, the difference that I'm looking at is where the first
null hits, and is what is a useful take off angle?  The lower height has a
broader first lobe, and a null in the ~13-14 deegree take off angle range
based on my terrain.  The higher antenna has more gain at lower angles, but
the first null is in the 7-9 degree take off range.
> >
> > My assumption is to have a lower antenna with a broader take off angle,
but I don't want to throw away low angle gain if I don't have to.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Many thanks, Kenny K2KW/8 (now living in SW Ohio)
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 08:40:02 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Fred Lass <felasstic@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] 6m Take off angles?
> To: J999w@aol.com, vhfcontesting@contesting.com
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> The limit is when the terrain in front of the antenna causes the main lobe
to dip below zero degrees.  Most DX on six meters with F2 occurs at the
lowest angles.
> I suppose that the middle of the sunspot peak when the band is wide open a
slight elevation may be useful.
>
> 73,  Fred
>
> J999w@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/31/06 2:11:44 PM Central
Daylight Time,
> felasstic@yahoo.com writes:
>
> <<   F2 is usually best with a very low angle, so higher the better. >>
>
> But there is a limit though, right?
>
> I mean even the 'big guns' complain about some antennas being TOO high on
HF.
>
> John K9RZZ
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