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Re: [VHFcontesting] modes question, what do we log C4FM or DSTAR as?

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Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] modes question, what do we log C4FM or DSTAR as?
From: Bob K0NR - email list <list@k0nr.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 17:49:10 -0700
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Don't forget, VHF contests generally count contacts once per band, without regard to mode. So you don't get more points for working the same station on different modes.

73, Bob K0NR


On 17-Feb-17 9:44 AM, Michael Clarson wrote:
Interesting. Some of the digital voice modes have a data sub channel, so if
one passes the exchange via microphone and speaker, its phone, but, at the
same time, the exchange can be passed on the data sub channel for a digital
QSO! 2 for one! --Mike, WV2ZOW

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Huff David J <HuffDavidJ@johndeere.com>
wrote:

OK, Apologies to Jim here, but restating his opinion below, this would
mean logged as voice.  The argument I was getting from others was that C4FM
and DSTAR modulation modes would double the count, one contact using FM
simplex, and a second contact using DSTAR or C4FM simplex would be
considered a different mode.

I disagreed with this idea, because modulation mode is not the decoder,
the human ear is.  I asked because I think clarifying the ARRL field day
rules might be a good thing here.
Thank You,

Thanks,
David
W0IM

-----Original Message-----
From: VHFcontesting [mailto:vhfcontesting-bounces@contesting.com] On
Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:08 PM
To: Jim Worsham <w4kxy@bellsouth.net>
Cc: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] modes question, what do we log C4FM or DSTAR
as?

Hi guys,

Here is the answer we used last year for D-Star inquiries where audio goes
into a microphone and exits via a speaker:

*D-Star is like any other phone contacts.  But, D-Star contacts in Field
Day MUST be Point to Point (aka  peer-to-peer) – NOT THROUGH INTERNET
GATEWAYS  and NOT THROUGH REPEATERS (with exception of Satellite
contacts).  All contacts must be via RF from station A to station B.*

Hope this helps.



73,



Bart Jahnke, W9JJ

Contest Branch Manager

*ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio™*

*225 Main St*

*Newington CT 06111*

860-594-0232

w9jj@arrl.org



On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Jim Worsham <w4kxy@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Call or email the ARRL Contest branch and ask them.  They and only
they can give definitive answers to ARRL sponsored contest questions.
Share what they say with the rest of us.  Asking questions like this
on here only invites speculation and misinformation.  By the way, FCC
regulations have nothing to do with the contest rules.  If the ARRL
wants to categorize digital voice as digital for the purposes of their
contests they can.
73
Jim, W4KXY

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 16, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Peter Laws <plaws0@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Huff David J
<HuffDavidJ@johndeere.com>
wrote:
I just came from our local club planning meeting for ARRL Field Day.
We were discussing VHF/UHF modes like Fusion C4FM, DSTAR, and DMR.
When a ham speaks into the microphone and it comes out as C4FM, do we
log that in the logging program as digital or Voice?
The FCC believes, in it's heart of hearts, that it's Phone
regardless of the mode.  At least until Title 47 of the code of
federal regulations is repealed.

IIRC, ARRL Field Day rules don't get that specific, but I assume
they follow part 97, so phone.




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