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Re: [VHFcontesting] VHF contesting yesterrday vs today

To: "'Ed Kucharski'" <k3dne@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] VHF contesting yesterrday vs today
From: "Mike Smith VE9AA" <ve9aa@nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 12:32:13 -0400
List-post: <mailto:vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
With respect Ed, we don’t need more categories. That won’t solve the issue.


If anywhere in a specific contest there is a digi/ft# category/mode/option, 
most folks will naturally gravitate there.


There is nothing from preventing me from firing up in any VHF contest today and 
going all-out, all weekend long on CW and SSB……..it’s just that there’s very 
few to work anymore. Oh yes, there’s some for sure but a small fraction of even 
10 yrs ago.


Exact same scenario  for 6m DXing.


I’ll keep it civil and not say in an open forum why I think that is.


Mike VE9AA


Mike, Coreen & Corey

Keswick Ridge, NB


From: Ed Kucharski [mailto:k3dne@comcast.net] 
Sent: January 19, 2021 12:26 PM
To: Mike Smith VE9AA; vhfcontesting@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] VHF contesting yesterrday vs today


Mike: My proposal (sent to ARRL but other than a couple of polite replies 
didn't grow legs - thinking about sending again) accommodates your desire to 
bring back a legacy only category (and modes). See below - not sure you saw it 
when I responded yesterday. It also accommodates the digital group and the 
hybrid operators (legacy and digital).  


My proposal for ARRL VHF contests is to add three additional entry sub 


"Legacy Category" (one contact on the same band with the same station on Phone 
or CW ONLY). 


"Digital Category" (one contact with the same station on the same band using 
any recognized Digital mode ONLY). 


"Mixed Mode Category" (potentially two contacts with the same station on the 
same band; Phone or CW AND Digital). This category is a combination of "Legacy" 
[phone or CW]   AND  " Digital" similar to the rules associated with ARRL 10m 


Phone/CW contacts can NOT be made on  frequencies recognized for digital modes 
and all digital contacts MUST be made on recognized frequencies used for 
digital modes ONLY. All the other rules and scoring will remain the same. 


Stations that enter the Mixed Mode category may change modes at any time but 
must follow the above rule associated where contacts can (or can not) be made. 
This is to prevent working a station on phone/cw and switching to digital on 
the same frequency. 


Briefly, the spirit and intent of my proposal (paraphrased) which I sent to 


There has been a tremendous amount of traffic about FTx VHF+ contesting on the 
VHF reflectors over the past several years with many suggestions for rule 

changes including; eliminate FTx from VHF+ contesting, restrict categories, add 

categories, change QSO point values, have contest(s) without FTx, add a 

stand-alone VHF+ digital only contest (I think this is a good idea but won't 
solve all the problems), etc. I've heard of several VHF+ operators that have 
decided to get out of vhf+ contesting due to FTx and the lack of SSC/CW and 
ability to move stations to UHF and Microwave bands. I believe the challenge is 
to retain legacy operators and operations and provide a competitive and fun 
environment (similar to pre-digital) while also embracing digital ops. They can 
be in two very different camps! This is where I believe rule changes come in to 
play - to adjust the contest rules to accommodate both camps. After considering 
and studying many of the proposed rule changes or adjustments, I support the 
one above that I believe is similar to another popular contest –  the ARRL 10 
meter contest. In that contest one has the option of competing in the Mixed 
Mode (phone and CW), CW only or Phone only categories. 






On 01/19/2021 10:52 AM Mike Smith VE9AA < ve9aa@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: 



Please bring back a legacy only mode contest or give the FT#-ers their own 

contest and I'll be back. I won't sit around all weekend long calling CQ 

endlessly on phone or CW to maybe make a dozen contacts. 




FT# has already ruined 6m DXing and now it's ruined VHF contesting for me 





Before anyone says for me to just get on FT# and join the crowd, that's not 

gonna happen. I would take absolutely no satisfaction in that "QSO" of 

having my computer work your computer with nothing in the headphones. I 

might as well send an email. 




CU (all of a sudden) in the next one. 




dit dit 




Mike VE9AA in New Brunswick, Canada (FN66) 




Keswick Ridge, NB 





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