Absolutely on the mark along with Walt's comments for me also
Merle W7YOZ On 50 MHz since 1959.
----- Original Message -----
From: "N2WM Walt" <n2wm@centurylink.net>
To: "vhfcontesting" <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 6:48:04 AM
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] The impact of the digital modes on the January VHF
Contest and some suggestions on dealing with those impacts
This is 100% on the mark.
I find FT-8 boring and I am an observer not an operator. Yes the Mode
works for very weak signals but when stations are s-9 why use FT-8. Last
contest to work my own Grid Square had to work a station 12 miles away
on FT-8.
I have been in VHF Contests since 1970 and I read that LOG submissions
are up but our Limited Multi Op hilltop station our QSO totals are down.
I do contest for the fun and challenge of working stations and trying to
get one more Grid. With FT-8 no joy, no feeling of accomplishment, Just
boring time spent watching a computer screen and knowing no operator
skill involved.
From FN21OC
73 Walt N2WM
Trustee of W2LV VHF Group.
On 06-Feb-21 22:43, Jay RM wrote:
> .. George, you've pretty much read my mind and put my exact thoughts into
> words.
>
> -W9RM
>
> Keith Morehouse
> via MotoG
>
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2021, 7:55 PM George Fremin <geoiii@kkn.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello fellow VHF contesters.
>>
>> I have only been loosely following this thread recently. I have not been
>> reading many of the messages to this list for a few years now so I may not
>> be fully up on what all the thoughts have been. I think I have some idea
>> of a few folks feelings on this list and I have been having similar
>> conversations with a few other VHF and HF ops I know.
>>
>> The last year or two of VHF contests that I have operated have me
>> questioning if I want to continue to put time and effort into doing
>> contests on or for that matter even spending much time on these bands in
>> general. In addition to the VHF contesting I do, I do a lot of HF
>> contests. I choose not to do any digital contests. I have never found
>> them to be very interesting to me. I enjoy the challenge of using my ears
>> and brain to copy CW and voice signals. I have spent a large portion of my
>> life now learning how to do this pretty well. Letting some machine do that
>> for me takes removes the skill that I have worked so hard acquire. As a
>> result I do not find the digital modes to be that much fun.
>>
>> I am not sure what the answer is here - I think trying to do mixed modes
>> will be a mess - although it would help my QSO totals.
>>
>> Back 10 years or more ago I posted a message to this list where I stated
>> that I was not going to operate using digital modes - of course this was
>> when it was just MSK or maybe some EME - and I held to that - and since
>> very few of the folks and none of the casual folks were doing those modes
>> it did not affect my scores too much. We have seen the rise in EME but the
>> MSK totals seem about the same but the big change has been FT8 - and that
>> has become the mode that everyone seem to have living on these days. And
>> as others have noted that has really hurt contact rates and made it hard to
>> move folks between bands. So in the last few contests I have done more and
>> more digital when I am at home. I have been doing the Sep and Jan contests
>> as a rover with my girlfriend using her call - and we have not do any
>> digital from the car but we can tell that is hiring our score as more and
>> more folks seem to be stuck on FT8.
>>
>> As I stated above this all has me wondering why I am on these bands -
>> since most of the activity is on a mode I do not enjoy.
>> One of my thoughts has been that I will go back to the way I used to do it
>> before and only do SSB and CW going forward and let whatever I miss on the
>> digital modes go by the wayside. I have no interest in putting up a large
>> EME array on any bands - since that would just mean more digital contacts -
>> and for me that is no fun. So I might do the contests in this way going
>> forward - SSB/CW only and temper my expectiaons on my scores and likely
>> never ‘winning’ these contests ever again. One of my long term goals was
>> to make over 2000 contacts on 6m in the June contest. But it has become
>> clear to me that this is likely not possible any longer due to the fact
>> that so many casual folks stick to FT8 even when the band is wide open and
>> the rate I just not there. So be it. I have to do what is fun for me. Or
>> maybe I just get rid of all the VHF stuff while the getting is good and
>> move on. I am still unsure.
>>
>> One thing I was wondering about for the the past few weeks was how is the
>> playing out in Europe. So today I wrote to a German ham that I know has
>> done VHF contests and he replied. I what he said interesting:
>>
>>
>> The major VHF+ contests over here (1st weekend of March [2m+], June
>> [23cm+], July [2m+], September [2m only], October [70cm+] and November
>> [2m CW only]) are still unchanged, only allowing SSB and CW contacts,
>> and I don't see that changing anytime soon. On 2m, the top stations
>> will routinely work more than 1000 QSOs. I don't think the big guns are
>> interested in using FT8, and they're the ones sitting in the contest
>> committees of the various clubs, where rules could be changed.
>>
>> That said, activity on VHF *outside* contests is predominantly FT8 (or
>> the various meteorscatter digital modes) nowadays, but in general I
>> guess that FT8 has overall increased non-contest activity, so maybe
>> that's not such a bad thing.
>>
>>
>> Maybe trip to Europe for some VHF contests would be fun for me.
>>
>> I still do not know what do so here in the North America - maybe we could
>> make one of the VHF contests SSB/CW only and see how that goes?
>> That seems like it would be fun. And it would be something different -
>> and that is a good thing in my book - why do they all have to be the same?
>> I am sure there are others that will disagree.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> George Fremin III
>> K5TR
>>
>>
>>
>>
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