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Re: [Amps] Plate Choke Resonances

To: dezrat1242@yahoo.com, Amps reflector <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Plate Choke Resonances
From: Robert Groh <rgroh@swbell.net>
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:35:15 -0800 (PST)
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Thanks, Bill - actually you have explained what folks here mean when they talk 
about 'Tesla Effect' - now I have something to get my neuron's around.  We are 
talking about the rf levels when we 'grossly' mistune a PA, e.g. tune the PA 
for a 50 ohm load and then disconnect the load.  Or, alternatively, swing the 
plate impedance all over the Smith chart while watching out for excessive 
power/voltage/current in any of the components - the biggie for most of us 
being the RF choke. 

The usual meaning (or what I get is the usual meaning from looking at other 
sources on the web) for the Tesla effect is coupling from one element to 
another via magnetic and/or capacitive effects.  The meaning here is more to do 
with off-resonance effects. 

Bob




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From: "Bill, W6WRT" <dezrat1242@yahoo.com>
To: Amps reflector <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 7:12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Plate Choke Resonances

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:33:56 -0700, Larry Benko <xxw0qe@comcast.net>
wrote:

>This forum should be about increasing knowledge rather than telling 
>people how they just never experienced some magical event that is too 
>complicated to simulate.

REPLY:

Well if the Tesla effect is too complicated for you to simulate, how
about doing it in real life?

1. Tune up your amp at full power into an antenna or dummy load.
Measure the peak RF at the tube anode or input to the tank circuit.
The peak RF should be approximately equal to the value of the DC anode
voltage.

2. Unplug the antenna and keep the drive the same. Measure the peak RF
again. Hopefully it won't destroy your meter or burn up something in
your amp.

You have just observed the Tesla effect - a peak voltage that is far
higher than the DC input would normally produce. It is caused when a
parallel resonant tank circuit which is lightly loaded accumulates
very large amounts of energy due to the so-called "flywheel effect".
This condition is common during the tune-up of an amplifier, before
you reach the final fully loaded condition. This is when the RF choke,
if parallel resonant, is most likely to smoke. 

4. I am sorry your software can not simulate this. Perhaps there is an
upgrade available?  :-)

73, Bill W6WRT
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