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Re: [RFI] LED Bulbs

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Subject: Re: [RFI] LED Bulbs
From: David Robbins <k1ttt@verizon.net>
Reply-to: k1ttt@arrl.net
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:47:11 -0600 (CST)
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that's why I have nice quiet bands from dc to daylight and you have been 
suffering for 8 years!  


Feb 12, 2014 10:22:21 AM, dj2001x@comcast.net wrote:

I'm sorry David, but I don't agree with you.

Dale, k9vuj



On 12, Feb 2014, at 7:19, David Robbins wrote:

> is he not stealing your right to pursue happiness?? have you not been harmed 
> by his noise generator the same as if he had been running a stereo too loud 
> after you go to bed? does your continued silence not enable him to keep 
> violating the law??
> 
> you will find that most of those things have been tested at one time or 
> another to comply with emission requirements, but then they are 'cleaned up' 
> by the production engineer who doesn't understand why all those 'extra' 
> components are needed and gets rid of them to reduce cost. if no one reports 
> problems, the production engineer gets a big bonus and does it again on the 
> next model. if someone forgets to tell a new assembler that he has to connect 
> that little green wire to the case it won't get caught at import time because 
> not every copy of a tv gets tested, just the first prototype that is gone 
> over with a fine tooth comb before emissions testing... after they get a 
> certification number they are done.... sure it would be nice to randomly 
> check production units, but who has time and money for that? unless someone 
> complains! without the complaint no one investigates, without an 
> investigation no one gets fined, if no one gets fined then no investigator 
> gets a big bonus, so help out the investigators and report noise makers!
> 
> 
> Feb 12, 2014 08:04:34 AM, dj2001x@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Theft is a different situation. 
> 
> I say that potential radiators should be tested, like they test amplifiers 
> before they are released for sale. None of that's done, no oversight. We have 
> LED lights now that generate RFI. If these same LED lights were knocking out 
> TV's how long do you think they'd allow that to go on?
> 
> 73
> Dale, K9VUJ
> 
> 
> On 12, Feb 2014, at 6:50, David Robbins wrote:
> 
>> well, if your neighbor was stealing gas from your car would you report it to 
>> the police??? or would you expect them to be checking the level in your tank 
>> for you every day to see if some was missing? if your neighbor was running 
>> nightly parties that kept you awake would you confront them about it? if 
>> they didn't stop would you call the police?? or would you expect police to 
>> be checking for all noise in the neighborhood to stop at a 9pm curfew??? if 
>> you saw your neighbor dealing drugs out of his house would you report it to 
>> police or just assume that they will eventually figure out that something 
>> was going on and catch them without your help??
>> 
>> If you don't inform your neighbor that their tv is causing interference 
>> (preferably the first week then have it) and coach them to return it to the 
>> manufacturer as a defective device for violating part 15 or 97 or whatever 
>> it might be, who will?? if they don't then fix it, and you don't report it 
>> to the fcc, then who will?? The fcc, like the local police, can't be 
>> everywhere all the time to find intermittent local interference sources. 
>> they are busy enough trying to take care of those who do file complaints 
>> without going around looking for more work.
>> 
>> 
>> Feb 12, 2014 05:12:16 AM, dj2001x@comcast.net wrote:
>> 
>> With all the regulations "since 1920's", why then am I still plagued with a 
>> plasma TV next door?? Eight years it's been. 
>> 
>> Am I the responsible person to go to my next door neighbors, inform them 
>> they have an illegal TV and demand they get rid of it?? 
>> 
>> Kurt, respectfully, you can cite all the rules and regulation etc you want, 
>> but the fact of the matter is, we are not protected. They import (or build 
>> it in country) this junk that causes interference and nothing is being done 
>> about it, unless I do it myself demanding they get rid of the noise maker, 
>> plasma TV and light dimmers. I ain't gonna do that. I guess I could relocate 
>> as many have already done, being driven away from man made noise.
>> 
>> It's not my job to enforce those regulations, the government entity that is 
>> supposed to oversee, don't. 
>> 
>> If these devices don't fall under the part 15 or whatever part, then why 
>> aren't new regulations made that do? It's still up to the government 
>> regulate these interference making devices, but…..here we are, light 
>> dimmers, plasma tvs, fish tank heaters, dog water dish heaters, hot tub 
>> equipment etc. It's continued to be mfg, sold and used. Now we have to watch 
>> out for the LED lights they'll be in your neighborhood soon. 
>> 
>> No oversight, no protection. 
>> 
>> 73
>> Dale, k9vuj
>> 
>> 
>> On 11, Feb 2014, at 22:17, "KD7JYK DM09" wrote:
>> 
>>> : Nothing. I guess the rules don't provide us any protection from this
>>> junk.
>>> 
>>> When did this mentality take hold? We've been protected from interference
>>> since the 1920's. Does anyone bother to familiarize themselves with the
>>> rules (actually, Code Of Federal Regulations, Telecommunications) any more?
>>> 
>>> Do you want every POS ever made removed, or just the one, MAYBE two units 
>>> you actually hear that is affecting you?
>>> 
>>> Start with CFR 47, Part 97, so you know who you are and what rights and 
>>> privileges your license offers you, then, check out CFR 47, Part 15 and 18 
>>> for all the stuff that's not permitted to interfere with you and what steps 
>>> everyone else must take to rectify it. In your research, you will also find 
>>> copies of notices referring to interference caused to other, letters of 
>>> forfeiture (fines), some in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and even 
>>> notices to cease all operation, all due to interference to "amateur" radio.
>>> 
>>> Kurt
>>> 
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