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Re: [RFI] How very interesting...

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Subject: Re: [RFI] How very interesting...
From: Larry Benko <xxw0qe@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 09:29:55 -0600
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Probably a little of both Dave. I could tell you how cool it is to drive around watching the spectrum but you wouldn't fully appreciate it until you actually did it. This happens too often in life for most of us.

You gain a lot more if you are the passenger and can focus on the display. If you lived closer to me (Colorado) I would have taken you for a drive a long time ago.

73,

Larry W0QE


On 8/25/2016 9:09 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
On Thu, 2016-08-25 at 08:16 -0600, Larry Benko wrote:

No Sh-t Sherlock!!  This was a comment a guy I used to work with would
say when someone touted something that was blatantly obvious!
Not sure how to take the above...  As humor or sarcasm...

I have also felt this way for a few years.  I built an active hi-Z
preamp on a magnetic base with a 4' whip and drive around with a
Perseus receiver.  Looking at a wide chunk of spectrum was the only
way W0IVJ and myself were able to show Century Link how much VDSL2
radiates (an SDRPlay ws used for the VDSL2 stuff).  We drove up a
street with a Century Link engineer in the back seat of the car and
pointed out exactly which houses had DSL service. Without getting out
of the car we were correct about 80% of the time and sometimes were
off by one house.
Rather than look at things in real-time I wanted to be able to see them
over long time periods and frequencies, so I could characterize an area
for RFI...

A most curious thing has developed, if you look at the graph at around
6.900 MHz., at the bottom, you see an interesting haze forming up, that
is some sort of broadband RFI, (looks to be around 500 KHz wide, and
getting wider with time.

It is now very wide and very strong, (I will update graph in a bit).  I
wonder what it is...  It's not in the ham bands, so I really don't
care about it, but it is most interesting...

Driving through a commercial or industrial area is especially
interesting as the noise floor varies easily 1000x (30dB) within a
several hundred feet.
I have a working GPS connected to the computer, and am going to be
taking wide-band signal levels and GPS locations, then logging that
data.  I will then graph the data on a Google map...  I want a detailed
heatmap of RFI for my area.

I had a prototype working last year, but have not followed up on it, I
did have success in creating a crude heatmap.  It did make it simple to
follow which power lines were carrying RFI around the area, they clearly
stood out from the background.  In fact, it was like having a big huge
arrow pointing to the RFI source...  I think I could locate RFI to the
house now, using an omni antenna pretty simply by just looking at the
resultant map.

Hope others will realize that this is an extremely good way to track
down RFI while being stealthy.  A non-directional antenna will never
replace a directional one but is an additional tool.
That is why I mentioned it here...  Next for me will be to follow what
you are doing in real-time, using a loop to watch a set of signals drop
as I rotate it, as opposed to looking at an S meter.  Seeing a
constellation of signals drop together as a loop is rotated, really does
sort of connect them...  They look the same, they drop the same, and
then I should be able to follow them via the heat map.

This may be a very useful tool to gauge overall RFI in an area for the
FCC study, once calibrated.

I now have a winter project!

--
73's, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
For software/hardware reviews see:
http://www.nk7z.net

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