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Re: [RFI] Update: Tesla's Response to Solar Panel RFI

To: Tony <dxdx@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Update: Tesla's Response to Solar Panel RFI
From: David Eckhardt <davearea51a@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 22:27:04 +0000
List-post: <mailto:rfi@contesting.com>
Being terribly facetious:   Let's all fire up our spark transmitters
connected to the best HF antenna we have.  Would FCC then, act?
Absolutely!  How is solar much different?  Don't need an old Ford spark
coil.  The high-energy SCR'ed ignition systems can do wonders when coupled
toa real antenna.  Again, would FCC act? Absolutely.  How is solar much

If the designers (Solar Edge???) would limit the rise time of the
rectangular waves driving the high power switching in the inverters, the
problem would "mostly" go away.  A small loss of about 2% might result, but
RFI would be greatly reduced.   Been ther.....Done that with other
systems.  The technique works -  Small series inductance with the drive to
the switching device gate.

I well remember reading the pages of EE-Times when switchers came along and
begun to displace linear regulators. They were the best thing to come along
since sliced bread.  About a year, the readings changed.  OMG!!!!!  These
things produce all kinds of RFI.  That went on for a couple of years with
may articles in most of thewidely read EE publications addressing how
to"tame" the RF emissions.  Well, things have gotten much faster and power
FET'S  have come into design bucket of tools.  The problem is back.  Now
what do we do.  Pick one hour of one day of the coming year and all us us
put our spark transmitters 'on the air'??

Some day, and its a long story, I'll write up the trial instigated by
Homeland Security in our little farming and bedroom town of Berthoud,
Colorado, to evaluate realtime the interference potential of BPL.  Not
10-minutes of going active, and the FAA was on our case and diverted ALL
commercial air traffic away from Berthoud to a 50-mile radius.  And, we're
only some 60-miles from DIA in Denver.

Dave - WØLEV

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 9:20 PM Tony <dxdx@optonline.net> wrote:

> All:
> I received the following updates from Tesla's Ms. Holmen regarding the
> RFI being caused by their solar panel installation. The good news is
> that she will be meeting with SolarEdge on Wednesday. The bad is that
> she continues to deflect and place the blame elsewhere.
> See below.
> Tony -K2MO
> __________________________________________________
> Ms. Holmen:
>     With the information supplied to me by you and your neighbor
>     it has been determined this is purely a civil dispute between
>     neighbors. Tesla and SolarEdge have done their due diligence
>     to assist in your interference concern.
> I recommend that you speak with an FCC agent regarding this matter. It
> has nothing to do with a dispute - it's a matter of federal regulations.
> https://www.fcc.gov/about/contact
> <
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.fcc.gov/about/contact__;!!Oq3sn3U_Ofw!OgagJz_-_eM1HnZ0bMZR153PFADFP7_TJqnYRA60c6EY2dchdtvKrYoiDamM$
> >
> I've attached a letter that was sent to SolarEdge headquarters in
> February of 2017. The document explains the issue of radio frequency
> interference caused by solar panel installations and the FCC's role in
> such matters.
> Response:
> Hi Mr. Bombardiere,
> Thank you for your email. I did speak with the FCC on Thursday of last
> week. They did advise that a homeowner has the right to install solar on
> their home regardless of potential interference. I advised the agent on
> the line about the amateur license being help by the neighbor, and they
> again informed me that the homeowner wishing to have solar is still
> allowed to install it on their home. Jonathan was the name of the agent
> I spoke to.
> I do have a meeting with SolarEdge scheduled on Wednesday, December 18,
> 2019 to discuss the troubleshooting options and what was installed on
> your neighbors home.
> Both SolarEdge and Tesla did their due diligence on this matter
> attempting to fix this issue. I can inform you of the information I
> receive in this meeting if you would like me to.
> The only options I have at this time are removing the solar system and
> cancelling your neighbors agreement or reducing his system size. Both of
> these options will come at a cost.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Ms. Holmen:
> Thank you for taking the time to investigate further. With all due
> respect to the FCC agent, he should have informed you about the FCC
> regulations that pertain to electronic devices that cause RF interference.
> If this same Tesla installation was causing interference with Fire or
> Police communications, the FCC would shut the system down immediately
> until the problem was fixed.
> While the customer has every right to have solar panels, I'm sure you
> understand that licensed FCC operators like myself have rights as well.
> I want to thank you again for all you've done and continue to do to
> resolve this issue. I'm confident that SolarEdge can come up with a
> solution.
>  > I can inform you of the information I receive in this meeting if you
> would like me to.
>   Please do.
> Response:
> Hi Mr. Bombardiere,
> Thank you for your email. I did inform the FCC hotline specialist about
> interference and about a neighbor with an amateur license.
> When it comes to commercial areas, the city has regulations that Tesla
> would comply with. Your neighbor and you live in a residential area,
> therefore residential solar is allowed to be installed.
> Fire stations, police stations and airports all have specific
> regulations and are not in the heart of residential areas. Should these
> be within a specific area, a city or township would block permitting and
> inspections for these situations. I hope that I am explaining this
> information clearly.
> Please let me know if you have further questions. I will keep you
> informed regarding the conversation I have with SolarEdge.
> Best Regards,
> *Ashley Holmen  | Specialist, Executive Resolutions*
> 6611 Las Vegas Blvd S., Suite 200 , Las Vegas, NV 89119
> p. (650) 546-8110 | aholmen@tesla.com <mailto:aholmen@tesla.com>
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