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Re: [RFI] [CQ-Contest] 40m to 20m interference

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Subject: Re: [RFI] [CQ-Contest] 40m to 20m interference
From: K9MA <k9ma@sdellington.us>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 22:54:17 -0600
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I have noticed a similar phenomenon when testing transmitters using antennas, rather than attenuators. All kinds of garbage gets generated, apparently by every device in the vicinity capable of nonlinear conduction.

73,
Scott K9MA



On 1/22/2020 22:30, donovanf@starpower.net wrote:
Hi Bill,


You're experience is fairly common. When a transmitter operates in
proximity to electronic devices, the strong RF field often causes those
devices to behave in a non-linear fashion to:
- generate harmonics of the strong RF signal entering the device, and
- modulating signals normally present within the device onto the
harmonics. Signals mixed onto the harmonics can be AC power or
digital signals.


No amount of filtering of your transmitter or receiver will resolve these
problems. Its highly likely that some electronic devices in your own
home are the culprits, but if you live in a suburban neighborhood your
neighbors' electronic devices are likely to cause problems too.


The first step -- as with any RFI investigation -- is to turn off the AC
power (and battery power) to 100% of all the electronic devices in
your home. All UPSs in your home must also be turned off. If the
RFI goes away or is reduced, its time to isolate the devices. Use the
individual circuit breakers on your home to help you do this. C ommon
culprits are wall wart power supplies -- especially switching power
supplies -- and rotator controllers.


Isolating RFI sources in neighboring homes requires similar techniques
and unusually cooperative neighbors...


Good luck with your hunt!


73
Frank
W3LPL

----- Original Message -----

From: "William Hendrick" <whhendrick@yahoo.com>
To: donovanf@starpower.net
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 12:34:06 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] 40m to 20m interference




Yes, covers most of the band and of course the closer you get to the harmonic 
the worse it gets. For example if TX1 is on 7030 and TX2 is listening on 14030 
only the strongest signals can be copied. Buzz could be a good description. In 
my original post I still wonder if I'm asking too much for the filtering to 
handle.


Bill, N0AC




On Wednesday, January 22, 2020, 06:06:10 PM CST, <donovanf@starpower.net> wrote:







Hi Bill,


Please describe the interference you're experiencing, you described
it only as "a lot of interference"


Is the interference only directly on the second harmonic of the 40 meter
transmitter or does it have buzz sidebands that cover much of the 20 meter
band?


73
Frank
W3LPL







From: "William Hendrick via CQ-Contest" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 11:00:29 PM
Subject: [CQ-Contest] 40m to 20m interference

I have a lot of interference on 20m when TXing on 40m even with BPF on each K3 
running 100w. A 23' shorted stub at the 40m rig doesn't seem to help. Both 
antennas are Butternut verticals about 150' apart. Am I asking too much for the 
filters with the same antenna polarization and spacing?
Bill, N0AC
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