<And, yes, we have an FCC that no longer gives a rip about CFR47, Part 15,
et.al.>
That FCC has a program to work with ARRL and the end result has been hundreds
of correspondences from the FCC to people or companies causing harmful
interference to amateur radio operators. It has been been steadily improved
over the last 20 years. That is quite a rip the FCC is giving...
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From: RFI <rfi-bounces+w1rfi=arrl.org@contesting.com> on behalf of David
Eckhardt <davearea51a@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 8:05 PM
To: Dave (NK7Z) <dave@nk7z.net>
Cc: RFI Mail list at contesting.com <rfi@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Solar Panel RFI Awareness At Dayton
Ask any newbie EE grad what makes up a 1.5 GHz clock in his or hers PC.
You'll get a reply of 1.5 GHz. But ask them how the square wave is made.
Still 1.5 GHz. Daaaaahhhhh........... They are totally oblivious when it
comes to Mr. Fourier. Who needs harmonics??? They just muckie up the 1.5
GHz clock. OK. Ask them what frequencies are contained in a sine wave.
They'll look at you like you're from another planet!! I, as well, have
taken all the Henry Ott and Bob German courses and then some. They're
absolutely required for the newbie EE grad trying to understand the mess
the digital revolution has precipitated. And, yes, we have an FCC that no
longer gives a rip about CFR47, Part 15, et.al.
But, please......PLEASE, if you are experiencing problems with a solar
power home installation, document it carefully and take it to the ARRL, NOT
FCC. FCC will ignore your problem submission. They listen, so far, to
ARRL.
Dave - W0LEV
On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 2:38 AM Dave (NK7Z) <dave@nk7z.net> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Respectfully I am saying that at some point there is a level at which
> the FCC will say too bad, live with it. That level will be above what
> things were before the solar installation arrived...
>
> I am not saying that it is not possible to make a system quiet. It is
> of course possible to do so, but unfortunately that will never happen on
> a general basis, it simply costs too much.
>
> If a Solar system moves in, next to me, and causes my S2 noise level to
> go up by 1/2 an S-unit, wrecking my weak signal work, for 1 % of my
> contacts, I suspect no amount of complaining will solve this...
>
> If however a cell tower gets an increased background noise level and
> looses 1% of it's calls, the FCC will be all over the RFI producer...
> Why? Money... Money the Amateur community does not control...
>
> It is not right, and it is not how I would like the world to be, but I
> suspect the cell companies, and broadcast will always get the better end
> of the RFI deal because of the money involved... We are just not large
> enough to have that sort of pull-- unfortunately...
>
> Hence why I think it is not in our best interests to start waving sticks
> at the Solar people... There are other ways, I believe the the ARRL is
> pursuing those....
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>
> On 5/25/22 01:03, Jim Brown wrote:
> > On 5/24/2022 9:51 PM, Tony wrote:
> >>> There is of course, some reasonable level of RFI that can not be
> >>> corrected if the system is next door to you
> >>
> >> That does seem logical Dave.
> >
> > It does NOT seem reasonable to me. The engineering principles needed to
> > do it right are well known, and have been since I graduated as an EE in
> > 1964. One major problem is that some of us, including me, had to
> > re-learn them 30 years later; another is that, thanks to the
> > Balkanization of the teaching of EE in multiple specialties, the
> > education of those specializing in digital systems didn't include many
> > of those fundamentals, or they were "not important" in the context of
> > their applications. For example, the analog I/O of the K3 is a train
> > wreck because the digital guy designed it.
> >
> > Here's an example of engineers with a very broad EE technical background
> > get the big picture. In 2004, I took a 3-day seminar from EMC guru Henry
> > Ott, retired from AT&T Bell Labs, the premier engineering entity on the
> > planet for most of the 20th century. One of MANY jewels that were almost
> > "asides" was that multilayer circuit boards that included "ground"
> > layers above and/or below a circuit trace formed a transmission line,
> > which confined fields from current on those traces to a VERY narrow
> > region in the insulation between those traces, AND, here's the Jewell --
> > that the time it takes the signal to traverse that transmission line on
> > practical board layouts places a fundamental limit on how fast these
> > systems can run!
> >
> > In the context of this discussion, Henry recommended two EE books by
> > Johnson and Graham, which he described as fundamentally transmission
> > lines books, that addressed these concepts in the context of traces on
> > circuit boards. The seminar was in Palo Alto, and on the way to a
> > restaurant after dinner, several of us stopped at the Stanford
> > engineering bookstore, where I bought both books.
> >
> > Henry worked as a consultant to many major corporations, including the
> > giants of Si Valley, which gave him a great perspective, and caused him
> > to think about technical things in the context of everything from
> > physical implementation to cost to ongoing development of
> > microprocessors to all sorts of applications, as well as fundamental
> > limitations noted above. In that workshop were engineers working in a
> > dozen or so specialties, and Henry's answers to their questions made it
> > obvious to me that he had thought these questions through in ALL of
> > those contexts, and many more.
> >
> > Systems engineering and design in today's world requires expertise in
> > MANY areas, and few of us can learn everything we need to solve any
> > given problem that includes many of these disciplines. In my
> > professional life, I was regularly a part of design teams with nearly a
> > dozen different engineering disciplines, each of us addressing our own
> > areas of expertise, and working interactively with those working in
> > other disciplines so that all the bases were covered.
> >
> > In that process, we asked a lot of "what if?" questions. What if in that
> > Fukushima nuclear power plant, a tidal wave flooded the generators,
> > which were in the basement, protecting the reactors? What if there's
> > someone next door who cares about the emissions of the system I'm
> > designing?
> >
> > 73, Jim K9YC
> >
> >
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