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Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

To: <k3ky@radioprism.com>, <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting
From: "ZR" <zr@jeremy.mv.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:07:56 -0500
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Cebik tended to be pedantic. Heck, he was a
college professor- duh! He certainly knew his
stuff, but his views were not necessarily
global at all times. Perception colors our
understanding of the world.

** Thats an understatement. I consider him one of the more blatant 
plaigarizers who knew a lot less about antennas as he misled many to 
believe.

I happend to be in a meeting with him in GA when the company team I was with 
were making a presentation. His body language and questions gave a strong 
impression of a blowhard which was somewhat confirmed by the looks others on 
his side were giving him. The after the meeting discussions on my side were 
rather emphatic about the above.

Carl
KM1H



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From: <k3ky@radioprism.com>
To: <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting


> Cebik's paper on the counterpoise is interesting and
> perhaps useful, so far as it goes. I don't remember
> seeing any mention of voltage-fed antennas, however.
> If they are in that article, I missed them.
>
> Cebik mentions Woodrow Smith in connection with a
> 1948 antenna book. I don't know if this is the same
> 'Woody Smith', W6BCX, but I suspect it is. Woody
> Smith wrote an article in March 1948 CQ Magazine
> titled "Bet My Money on a Bobtail Beam." In that
> article, he is somewhat vague about the ground
> return for the center element, but is very clear
> that 'not much' of a ground is needed. In his
> Feb/Mar 1983 HR Mag. reprise of the Bobtail/Half
> Square antennas, he refers to the desirability of
> a 'ground screen', refraining from calling  this
> small, rectangular grid a 'counterpoise'. But
> that's what it is, in today's usage. I called
> it that in my Bobtail pages, and will likely
> continue doing so.
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/md/k3ky/page49.html
>
> Moxon, G6XN also refers extensively to the
> counterpoise in his favored half wave vertical
> antennas, and in his case, is talking about a
> pretty tiny piece of metal indeed. See"
> "HF Antennas For All Locations." by G6XN.
>
> Cebik tended to be pedantic. Heck, he was a
> college professor- duh! He certainly knew his
> stuff, but his views were not necessarily
> global at all times. Perception colors our
> understanding of the world.
>
> Language is a living, growing thing. Cebik
> was probably right about the concept of the
> counterpoise having been 'muddied', but OTOH
> that horse is now long out of the barn.
> I very much doubt the word is going away any
> time soon, in ham 'circles'. Or squares or
> rectangles. Even elongated, skinny rectangles.
>
> I find K2AV's FCP (folded counterpoise) most
> intriguing, and I intend to give it a try here.
> My inverted L needs help. I am so over with
> crummy 'sparse radials'. What a waste. Also,
> I intend to shift more towards a longer L
> which more approximates voltage feed. Having
> a quarter wave L with the current point at
> ground level is just asking for poor
> performance IMO.
>
> 73, David K3KY
>
>
>
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