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Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

To: Tom Haavisto <kamham69@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?
From: Roger Parsons via Topband <topband@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Roger Parsons <ve3zi@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 16:01:56 +0000 (UTC)
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Thank you for your comments Tom.


The NA band plan has phone at above 1840kHz. My proposal is for phone above 
1817kHz (and perhaps below 1810kHz) which seems to me to accept that this is 
not normal band loading.

Please see my previous post regarding antenna bandwidth.

I don't know where you get your 'two weekends a year'. I did a quick skim and 
found the following significant phone contests which include 160m:

CQ160, ARRL DX, Russian DX, WPX, ARRL FD, IARU, CQWW.


Obviously the effects will vary between contests and between different areas of 
the world. There are also many QSO parties and a great number of smaller 
contests.

CW contests do not preclude phone operation on top band - they just move it 
further up the band. SSB contests at present leave no space whatsoever for any 
other modes.


Your wonderings leave me bemused. Your question can just as easily be reversed: 
"Why would somebody plan a 160m phone contest when there is a DXpedition 
planned?" and make just as much sense. I believe that one of the current 
DXpeditions is actually a spare time operation of people who are working in the 
country for a short period. Difficult to change that timing. And why on earth 
should they be prevented from operating on 160m if that is their pleasure, any 
more than you should be prevented from operating in a 160m phone contest when 
that is your pleasure.

But the most important fact is that it is entirely possible for CW and phone to 
coexist during a 160m phone contest. Leave a very small bandwidth (enough for 3 
SSB stations) where phone contest operators are not permitted. Write it into 
the contest rules so that regulations and bandplans become irrelevant. 


Again I ask. Why not?

73 Roger
VE3ZI

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From: Tom Haavisto <kamham69@gmail.com>
To: Roger Parsons <ve3zi@yahoo.com> 
Cc: TopBand List <topband@contesting.com>; Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, 28 February 2016, 19:19
Subject: Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?



I think there is a few things that need to also be taken into account.

A bandplan is designed for *normal* band loading.  Clearly, when there is a 
contest on, we are NOT dealing with normal band loading.

As has been noted, antenna bandwidth is part of the issue.


Phone contests will take up two weekends out of the year on Topband.


What happens when there is a CW contest?  We move up the band to accomodate the 
extra activity...  With a phone contest, with folks using <1Khz spacing, every 
little of extra space helps.  So yes - folks DO move down into the CW part of 
the band.

But - I cannot help but wonder - why would someone plan a DXpedition (much 
planning involved), and NOT take a 160 phone contest into consideration?  I 
have seen some DXpeditions go to the WARC bands if there is a major contest on 
when they are on.  Or - they operate the other mode (operate CW when there is a 
phone contest on, and vice versa).  Could a DXpedition not stay off 160 for the 
weekend they are there (assuming they are not there FOR the contest), and focus 
on 80 meters instead?  Not EVERY serious DXer is on 160, and I am sure more 
than a few of them would appreciate the extra attention (a weekends worth) to 
their favorite band/mode/whatever as the DXpedition does not operate on Topband.


Just "seems odd" to me.

Tom - VE3CX











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On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Roger Parsons via Topband 
<topband@contesting.com> wrote:

I enjoy contests but...
>
>
>This weekend has seen the CQ 160m SSB Contest. It has also seen CW activity or 
>attempted activity from a number of extremely rare DX entities.
>
>Why is it reasonable or even acceptable for the band to be full of SSB 
>contesters from 1800kHz to about 1960kHz? The vast majority of contacts made 
>in the contest are same continent, and in the case of NA could and should all 
>comply with the band plan. Why is the CW part of the band full of SSB whereas 
>the top (phone) end of the band is almost empty?
>
>
>I have previously suggested to the contest administrators at both CQ and ARRL 
>that they set in the contest rules a lower operational limit of 1820kHz dial 
>frequency. That would give contesters 23kHz of the 'prime' international 
>frequencies between 1810kHz and 1840kHz, and a total 183kHz for many 
>countries. The CW DX operators would have 7kHz internationally. Neither CQ nor 
>ARRL have treated this suggestion seriously, nor come up with any alternative.
>
>Why not?
>
>73 Roger
>VE3ZI
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