well said Guy,you hit a home run with the bases loaded! thank you 73 Jim W3TO
> On January 15, 2018 at 7:28 PM Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> With apologies to Tree, who has asked that this subject be dropped...
>
> The question of the effect of a remote receiver or receivers has
> already been dealt with by some contest organizers needing clarity and
> consistency using current actual technical possibilities while
> retaining the flavor and character of a contest. Probably the best
> (IMHO) adjustment on remotes is that from Tree and Lew and the
> inimitable BARC in the Stew Perry TBDC.
>
> The first part of their answer simply says remote RX *and* TX is fine,
> and is treated like a very long electronic line from key and headset
> to the station wherever it is. Grid square and possible required
> xxn/callsign signing are from the remote location, which is the point
> of record for scoring, standing, awards, etc.
>
> The second part is that using a local TX the receiver(s) may be
> *entirely* co-located with the TX, or the RX facility may be
> *entirely* sited at a single location 75 km or less from the TX
> location. Using this provision, listening on the TX antenna is not
> permitted during the contest. Although the rule uses the word
> "receiver" in the singular, in their mind it does not preclude use of
> a remote diversity RX, eg, K3 equipped with phase-locked diversity
> subRX.
>
> Please remember that "cheating" with respect to ARRL DXCC has to do
> with *ARRL* rules for same. Arguably some DXCC rules are so lax as to
> be meaningless, but they are the ARRL's rules. It has nothing to do
> with our being irritated or angered by someone who using modern
> technical extensions claims the same status as ourselves when we have
> gotten those numbers the HARD way, digging out countries through the
> urban noise never heard up on those mountain or off-continent remotes.
>
> In the end someone whose status self-image depends on what others do
> is inevitably doomed to anger. There will always, always be a cheat
> among us somewhere. If we must compare, compare ourselves only to the
> most noble examples. Or better yet BE that most noble example, knowing
> God knows even if no one else does, and sleep well at night.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Steve Daniel <nn4t@comcast.net> wrote:
> > John, is the use of a remote receiver not allowed for DXCC? I don’t believe
> > it is prohibited. I ask because your use of the word “cheating” suggests
> > that it is. Is that what you are saying? Steve Daniel NN4T
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 15, 2018, at 12:31 PM, John Randall via Topband
> >> <topband@contesting.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Although I have never chased awards, I too am shocked at how easy it has
> >> become for those so inclined to cheat the system, but not only the system
> >> ,but themselves as well. Ofcourse not everyone will cheat but perhaps what
> >> we should be discussing is how to detect those who do cheat. Perhaps a DIY
> >> written document on how to to do this and what to look out for. This would
> >> be of tremendous help for the new comers to the hobby and also us old
> >> fogeys who have been around for a long time.Technology is a blessing and
> >> also a curse. Perhaps one way to try and get back some control is force
> >> all websdr's to enforce a full amateur call sign to its subscribers and
> >> then to make the dbases available for scrutinity sothat the logs can be
> >> compared to say the DXCC mechanisms. This is just a thought and worth
> >> chewing over or other methods used.
> >> Talking of which, has anyone noticed that the imfamous amaeteur in Spain
> >> has been absent on the bands incl topband.
> >>
> >> 73John - M0ELS
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