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Re: Topband: BOG Beverage on Ground Help

To: Andrey Fedorishchev <ra6lbs@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: BOG Beverage on Ground Help
From: K9FD <merv.k9fd@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 14:09:01 -1000
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It still wire on the ground


But then it canalso be transmission line on a ground.
In a form of coax line, twisted line.



ср, 4 дек. 2019 г. в 00:27, K9FD <merv.k9fd@gmail.com <mailto:merv.k9fd@gmail.com>>:

    WOG wire on the ground

    > I agree with Bob. I think the name BOG is firmly entrenched,
    whatever the
    > electrical differences. Oh, I could propose a new name, but I
    doubt it
    > would ever stick.
    >
    > I'll go back to my Otter/Platypus to propose a parable:
    >
    > Suppose that the Platypus had instead gotten the name of
    Duckfaced Otter,
    > and that was firmly entrenched in the language regardless of the
    science
    > placing the Duckfaced in a different Latin-worded species.
    >
    > Then on a reflector, an argument crops up, someone says that the
    Duckfaced
    > Otter lays eggs. Others deride that statement, saying everyone
    knows that
    > an Otter is a mammal, that mammals give live birth and Otters do
    not lay
    > eggs. Some, quite irritated, ask wouldn't the Duckfaced Otter
    have been
    > named differently if it was really that different? Probably
    because it was
    > named centuries before people knew it laid eggs.
    >
    > In the science, the egg-laying, out of many differences, all by
    > itself would put the Duckfaced Otter into a different species,
    because such
    > differences are what define different species. Overall, most
    already know
    > that the Duckfaced Otter only *looks* like an otter, really
    isn't. But they
    > still call it the Duckfaced Otter because that's what the
    language calls
    > it. Who among us ever gets to successfully take on the language?
    >
    > ---End of Parable---
    >
    > Beverage                       Otter
    >
    > On-ground Beverage     Duckfaced Otter
    >
    > Both are a longish          Both have brown
    > wire parallel to earth,      water repellent fur coat.
    > only used for RX.            and love the water.
    >
    > Isn't it really about time that the masses on the reflectors
    know that a
    > BOG has irritating issues that no up-in-the-air beverage has to
    design
    > around, but must be taken into account designing a BOG? That any
    Beverage
    > strategy has to be analyzed laying on the ground to see if it really
    > applies to a BOG?
    >
    > The antenna category is Ground Low Velocity Factor. The short
    for that
    > could be GLVF, except we already call those -on-ground or OG.
    Dipole on
    > Ground is a DOG, Loop on Ground is a LOG, Beverage on ground is
    a BOG. In
    > this system "Beverage" is only one possible shape of the wire
    laying on the
    > ground. How a BOG behaves and how to engineer/model one is
    really only one
    > application of how OG behaves and how to engineer OG.
    >
    > I think OG is just fine. I don't think OG needs a new name. Just
    remember
    > that BOG is only one shape instance of OG, and OG controls the
    engineering.
    >
    > 73, Guy K2AV
    >
    > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 6:38 PM Chortek, Robert L. <
    > Robert.Chortek@berliner.com
    <mailto:Robert.Chortek@berliner.com>> wrote:
    >
    >> I don’t think it matters what label we use as long as we correctly
    >> understand its electrical properties.....
    >>
    >> AA6VB
    >>
    >> Bob
    >> Robert L. Chortek
    >>
    >>> On Dec 2, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA
    <ve9aa@nbnet.nb.ca <mailto:ve9aa@nbnet.nb.ca>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> [External Email]
    >>>
    >>> K2AV says ".BOG is not a Beverage. So don't think about or
    treat a BOG
    >> like
    >>> a Beverage."
    >>>
    >>> <snip>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> You seem pretty adamant about that Guy.
    >>>
    >>> What *SHOULD* we be calling it then please?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Mike VE9AA
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Keswick Ridge, NB
    >>>
    >>>
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