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[TowerTalk] Re:USTOWER/FIRST CALL COMM

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Subject: [TowerTalk] Re:USTOWER/FIRST CALL COMM
From: YDDOG@aol.com (YDDOG@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:51:04 EST


<< D. Rodman, MD wrote:
 
 > Steve, you have a potentially complicated situation.  Your town has a very
 > restrictive ordinance against towers.  In my experience, you may have a 20
 > feet above the roof line ATTACHED TO THE STRUCTURE limit.  If you are not
 > sure, check it out right now.  Variances are very difficult to obtain.
 > Every town has different regulations.  You will, at least, have to get
 > permission from every neighbor in certain close proximity.  It might be a
 > few houses or it might be a radius distance.  You will probably run into a
 > scenario where speaking to everyone first is necessary.  Going from house
 > to house is a bit embarassing.  Be sure NOT to point out what you are
 > doing is legal, a potential eyesore and might interfere with every
 > "home entertainment device" in a 500 ft radius.  You might be surprised
 > with the immediate "nice" "friendly" responses from you potential new
 > happy neighbors at first.  However, when the town meeting comes up you
 > might be surprised by the negative or just plain unsupportive things that
 > could be said.  If your town is like mine, JUST ONE MINOR NEGATIVE COMMENT
 > will sink you.  The thing you have to know, is these people on your town
 > board are likely on the take.  In my town, a certain lawyer takes just
 > about all the variance cases.  The fee is $5K.  That is for one meeting.
 > Yes, you get your permit for your sign or whatever, but at what cost?  Not
 > one person on this reflector will tell you that 40 ft is a decent height
 > for working DX.  Yes, it might work really well, if all you want to do is
 > ragchew on 20 to your cousin in St. Louie or work Europeans or South
 > America on 10 or 15.  It is a low height to really enjoy things and have a
 > super good time at it.  It does not give you much advantage in the
 > "pileups" or much height to put up a decent low band dipole.  Now on to
 > you plans to get a higher tower and use it at 40 ft until the variance
 > comes through.  BAD IDEA.  The town will not like this.  They might NOT
 > issue you a building permit.  That is necessary because it goes into
 > concrete.  Every footing needs a building permit.  The argument will be,
 > you can raise it when nobody is looking and not be in compliance with the
 > ordinance.  So what, right?  Wrong.  How would you like it if the
 > neighbors second unlicensed car magically appeared with a license plate
 > every time you called and complained about the piece of junk sitting on
 > your property line?  They will say, you can't apply for the permit unless
 > you own the property.  If you do, fine.  If you have not closed, they will
 > not even talk to you.  You can go down there a million times, but I bet
 > you they will not give you anything in writing until you actually own the
 > house.  Get everything in print too.  On the other negative side of this
 > plan, you have to get a engineering stamp from a NY state licensed
 > Professional Engineer.  He will have to review and RECALCULATE the tower
 > plan from US Tower.  In order to certify the structure, he just won't take
 > the certification from a California stamp.  His license is on the line if
 > it falls and kills your neighbor's cat.  Unless you are luck to know a PE
 > or your brother-in-law is one who will look the other way, you will find
 > this will run about a thousand dollars for the plans.  There will be many
 > questions about the antenna and the issue of "ice".  When was the last
 > time you had 3 inches of radial ice on anything in Fishkill with 50 mph
 > winds?  You know your tower is built like a brick, but the Uniform
 > Building Code treats it differently.  Engineers love to be anal retentives
 > about small details, you know.  Now, lets say you have gotten frustrated
 > now and decided to consult the ARRL about this.  They are our saviour,
 > right?  Wrong.  Yes, they know about PRB-1 and Federal interests and the
 > like, but there NO absolute cases that will get you a 55 or higher foot
 > antenna with a 40 foot restriction.  There certainly HAVE been cases where
 > lower height restrictions have been overturned in NY by lengthy court
 > cases and expensive litigation.  The hams have individually bore the costs
 > of this and in my experience, since case law is not necessarily
 > transferable, the next guy might have to do it too.  That is very
 > expensive.  It might run you $5-10K without a hint of any outside
 > financial help to do this.  I would ask you, Steve, to be very cautious
 > about your expectations and limitations before getting into this project.
 > I am very familiar with it, because I ran into similar roadblocks.
 > Finally, I got so frustrated by the whole situation, I purchased a country
 > property and moved the bulk of my serious operating there.  I have found
 > that the residential restrictions of height and electrical noise and
 > consumer electronic "interference" were not worth the hassle.  Be
 > carefull, the town is not your friend on this project.  Good luck!!
 >
 > David J. Rodman, MD
 > Assistant Clinical Professor
 > Department of Ophthalmology
 > State University of New York at Buffalo
 >
 > FAX 716-859-4565
 > Office 716-854-1137 >>

Geeezzzz ,,,, I don' t think I ve seen such a negative spin on anything in 
my life !   Can the end of the world be far behind ? 

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