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[TowerTalk] Guy wire interaction - the devil is in the details

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Subject: [TowerTalk] Guy wire interaction - the devil is in the details
From: W8JI@contesting.com (Tom Rauch)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:07:27 -0400
> How incorrect?  My handy dandy hand held Wavetek LCR meter cant even read
> that low when I just tried to measure a few minutes ago. The insulator is
> a standard 502 with 1/4" guy grips. Should I drag  the HP-4271B outside or
> is the actual C too low to be of any concern except to stimulate
> discussion on the reflector?

I'd toss that Wavetek over on the audio bench. Maybe that is the 
same meter you used to determine the inductive metal film 
resistors Mouser has are non-inductive?

The measured capacitance of a 502 insulator with the strand-loops 
only (grip cut off at the point where it starts to lock) is 12 pF. That 
amounts to 1.9 k ohms of Xc at 7 MHz, and 475 ohms Xc at 28 
MHz.

That is a significant amount of capacitance!

Try this test.

Model a long length of guy strand on EZNEC, and insert loads 
based on 12 pF every 38 feet (that is SUPPOSED to be a non-
resonant length). Excite a center section like a dipole, and 
measure the source impedance and look at the currents.

Now change the loads to a few hundred k ohms and watch the 
change in behavior!

I'm afraid it's a fact. Breaking your guylines up into non-resonant 
lengths that are LONGER than 1/4 wl or so with high capacitance 
insulators won't do what you think it will! Especially on higher 
frequencies where Xc is under a few thousand ohms.  

I use fiberglass links near 10 MHz and higher antennas, and break 
the lines up every 3/8 wl maximum on ten meters near high 
frequency antennas. Otherwise, the guylines might as well be 
unbroken wires.

> I would also expect the loss of galvanized steel guy wire to have an
> increasing absorbtion effect as frequency increases. Has that been
> factored into the modeling programs?

Resistance wouldn't be a problem, as long as the line isn't 
resonant or electrically long compared to the operating frequency. 

Unfortunately, that isn't the case. Resistance might be a factor, de-
Q'ing the lines and making them broadband absorbers.

Why do you think AM BC stations break up lines every 50 feet or 
so on the AM band? Because of insulator capacitance, something 
totally overlooked in the "non-resonant length" tables we vainly 
follow.


73, Tom W8JI
w8ji@contesting.com

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