Hello TTers,
I hate to say it, but it appears many of you have TOO much time on
your hands!! This debate on a company that none of you really know
anything about is unfair, and inappropriate. I understood one persons
post about problems he was having with First Call. I too, have
experienced delays and bad communications from Joel. But this thread
has gone far beyond that.
ISO 9001 is a very stringent certification.....and as such is a badge
of honor for most companies that go to the trouble to get certified.
It costs a great deal of money for the companies to get the rating --
no, they don't pay for it, it takes considerable time on the part of
the employees (hence a significant company investment) to provide the
proper process sheets, inspection plans, statistic analysis to prove
they operate a good shop. It generally takes a company from 6-18
months to get certified. Will it insure that the product they are
making is suitable for it's intended use?? NO, it doesn't (as Jeff
accurately posted). It is some assurance, though, that the product
manufactured is damned close to the design in a very high percent of
the time.....much higher than most companies can claim.
I'm not going to make excuses for Joel. Just give the topic this one
thought, maybe the reason Joel hasn't been very responsive is that
he's been trying to negotiate a significant deal, and put together
(call it save) a company that otherwise might have simply gone under.
For some of you to criticize the new company, shame on you!! How about
waiting to see what happens.....and then only reporting what YOU have
experienced....not getting into a feeding frenzy and spending valuable
bandwidth preaching dooms day reports.
I personally believe it was appropriate for the first post to say he'd
had problems. I would want to know if a company was not responsive.
For those who added to it from **personal experience**, that's fine.
For those of you who just decided to speculate on whether the new
company was worth a hoot -- how would you feel if it was YOUR company
that was being discussed??
IMHO, it's fair to attack those who run a company inappropriately.
It's grossly UNFAIR to attack a company that has not YET done anything
inappropriate.
I apologize if this post pisses any of you off.........but lets get
back to debating/discussing tower issues.....not assassinating
companies without facts.
73 from.......
Bob Otto
N8NGA@one.net
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Friday, January 19, 2001, 10:40:09 PM, you wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-towertalk@contesting.com
>> [mailto:owner-towertalk@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Bill, W7TI
>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 10:29 PM
>> To: Wendell Wyly W5FL
>> Cc: towertalk@contesting.com; Firstcallcom@aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] RE: [Tower Talk] Tri-Ex
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:27:27 -0600, Wendell Wyly W5FL wrote:
>>
>> >I certainly hope they do produce very high quality towers, but ISO 9001
>> >certification does not ensure high quality, only consistent quality.
>>
>> _________________________________________________________
>>
>> Actually, it doesn't ensure even that much. It does certify that
>> they have a
>> quality plan in place, but whether they follow it is not
>> guaranteed. It is
>> perfectly possible for an ISO-9001 company to ship a piece of
>> junk amongst the
>> good stuff.
>>
JM> Actually, it doesn't even ensure *that*much. The process they define
JM> can be set up to produce junk *all* the time, and as long as the process
JM> has passed the audit, then they can be ISO 9000/9001 certified.
JM> The ISO standard defines whether a company has a process, not
JM> whether what they produce is something you'd want to buy.
JM> 73,
JM> Jeff Maass jmaass@columbus.rr.com Located near Columbus Ohio
JM> USPSA # L-1192 NROI/CRO Amateur Radio K8ND
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