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Re: [TowerTalk] Question on 80M 4-square amongst trees

To: "Robert Shohet" <kq2m@earthlink.net>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Question on 80M 4-square amongst trees
From: "Geoff" <geoffrey@jeremy.mv.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:14:46 -0400
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A 4 to 6 wire cage 12" in diameter will cover the full band with low VSWR.
I believe you operated a station with a 2 el 75-80M setup that way many
years ago.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Shohet" <kq2m@earthlink.net>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Question on 80M 4-square amongst trees


> Hi Dan,
>
> Thank you for stating what I did not make clear - that it is the thickness
> of the element and not the material used, that determines the bandwidth.
I
> thought that was obvious, but perhaps not!
>
> However, I was not aware that you could the increase the bandwidth by the
2
> wire method that you are referring to.  I am going to check out his
website
> and read that posting.  Many thanks for mentioning it!  It may provide a
> workable solution for the challenges that I have on 80 meters using #13
PVC
> wire for the elements!
>
> 73
> Bob KQ2M
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Levin" <djl@andlev.com>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Question on 80M 4-square amongst trees
>
>
> > Bob wrote:
> >
> > > You WILL see a significant low-swr bandwidth improvement
> > > by using aluminum tubing vs wire. NO COMPARISON!  I am
> > > all but convinced that the aluminum elements provide
> > > better F/B, F/S and forward gain, but I have never modeled that.
> >
> > Remember, it is the effective diameter of the element that matters,
> > not (in this case) the material, or the fact that it is tubing
> > vs wire.  You can easily increase the
> > effective diameter of a wire antenna by simply using two
> > (or more) wires that are parallel to each other, spaced apart
> > by some distance (say 3-6"), and tied together electrically
> > (say with horizontal wires soldered between the two vertical ones)
> > every so often (say 3' or so).  L.B. Cebik has a nice discussion
> > of this on his web site, www.cebik.com .
> >
> >                   ***dan, K6IF
>
>
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