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Re: [TowerTalk] ferrite beads was...Re: [RFI] HIGH POWER and RFI...

To: "K8RI" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>, TOWERTALK@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] ferrite beads was...Re: [RFI] HIGH POWER and RFI...
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <ooe@odessaoffice.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 23:40:40 -0800
List-post: <mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>
cat5e
I'm an isp and run high speed wireless networks....

Out of my 25ish tower sites I have a couple that are a LOT of trouble. 
Can't find any other cause so I'm hoping that it's just a simple harmonic or 
induction on the cat5 cables.

thanks,
marlon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "K8RI" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>
To: "Marlon K. Schafer" <ooe@odessaoffice.com>; <TOWERTALK@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] ferrite beads was...Re: [RFI] HIGH POWER and RFI...


> When you say Ethernet do you mean the real Ethernet coax or CAT5e?
> I've forgotten the coax impedance. Is it 50 or 75 ohms?
> I have several hundred feet of CAT5e and I think I have a 100 or so of the 
> 50 ohm coax. I have about a 1000 feet of the 75 ohm.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <ooe@odessaoffice.com>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:49 PM
> Subject: [TowerTalk] ferrite beads was...Re: [RFI] HIGH POWER and RFI...
>
>
>> Speaking of ferrite beads.  I need some for ethernet cable and haven't 
>> been
>> able to locate a source.
>>
>> Anyone have a good suggestion?
>>
>> thanks!
>> marlon
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jim Lux" <jimlux@earthlink.net>
>> To: "Jim Brown" <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>; <towertalk@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [RFI] HIGH POWER and RFI...
>>
>>
>>> At 07:32 AM 3/6/2007, Jim Brown wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:06:45 -0500, Dan Zimmerman N3OX wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >measures, inaccurately, on my MFJ-259
>>>>
>>>>Ferrite chokes are essentially very low Q parallel resonant
>>>>circuits. Antenna analyzers are not very useful for measuring
>>>>ferrite chokes, for at least two reasons. First, they have a
>>>>fairly low input Z (typically 10K resistance in parallel with 12
>>>>pF. The capacitance is the major problem -- it combines with the
>>>>R, L, and C of the choke to move the choke's resonance down in
>>>>frequency to a new false resonant point, and above that false
>>>>resonance gives an impedance that is falsely quite low.
>>>
>>> Could one estimate that parasitic C by sweeping the analyzer and
>>> looking for the resonance?
>>>
>>> And, if you can assure yourself that the resonance is "far" away from
>>> the frequency of interest, one can ignore the C.
>>>
>>> Since there's really a limited number of possible mixes in use, it
>>> might be useful to come up with some sort of "diagnostic method" to
>>> identify the material using simple ham tools (like the MFJ
>>> box).  Once you know the mix, and the mechanical dimensions, then you
>>> can go to the mfr charts and find the "real numbers"...
>>>
>>> At a first glance, I would think you could just try and identify the
>>> mu of the mix.  Pick a low frequency to test at (so the parasitic C
>>> doesn't bite you) and measure L and work backwards from that?
>>>
>>> I'm sort of lazy and don't want to page through the FairRite catalog,
>>> and K9YC probably knows these things off the top of his head, but are
>>> all the "usual" mixes for this application sufficiently different in
>>> mu that you could use that as a sole distinguishing
>>> characteristic?  Or, are there mixes with the same mu, but different
>>> loss properties?
>>>
>>> Jim, W6RMK
>>>
>>>
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