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[TowerTalk] SteppIR problem-update from the front lines

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Subject: [TowerTalk] SteppIR problem-update from the front lines
From: Bill Carnett <ah6fc@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:09:05 -0700 (PDT)
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Gentlemen,
I would like to address a couple of posts....

The antenna had been tested on the ground.  I'm
certainly not an engineer, but I was systematic in
what analysis I could perform.  The problem developed
only when all 4 motors were connected, at which time
the power supply kicked off.  Individually and up to 3
motors, worked fine.  The elements moved in and out.
I'm not sure any other testing could have been
done...but in all candor, I don't know. With the heavy
duty powersupply, the system kept running and finally
the problem with the reflector motor was revealed. 
Sure, in hindsight, I should have waited until the
"assumed" power supply problem had been resolved, but
I don't think Jerry had any reason to assume that a
new power supply wouldn't fix the problem. Not having
had prior experience with Steppir yagis, I had no
reason to question his advice.  If I had not had a
crane and tower installation help coming in 3
days....a process that had been scheduled, with some
difficulty, for many months, I certainly would have
waited....should have, could have, would have.   

I made these posts in the hope of getting a simple
solution to this problem, so the antenna would not
have to be taken down.... not to point fingers or
place blame. 

The SteppIR folks have provided great support and gone
the distance to try and resolve this problem.  I am
very appreciative for all of their help.

I'm convinced this is a very good antenna, but like
others, obviously not without potential problems. 
Since I have to take it off the tower to fix the
problem, I've not decided what I will do with it...put
it back up or replace it with something a bit less
complicated.  Sure, I'm not excited about the extra
expense of the experience.   Nevertheless, I believe
that it is an excellent and well tested product, with
good support.  Nothing is perfect.  What's done is
done.

Guys, please don't start flaming...doesn't add
anything to the dialogue.

Again, thanks for all of the suggestions along the
way.

73, Bill
AH6FC/7
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:35:55 -0500
> From: "AD5VJ  Bob" <rtnmi@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] rohn qusestion
> To: "'merlin-7'" <merlin-7@sc.rr.com>,        "'jeremy-ca'"
>       <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
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> The shorter ones as I understand it are so you can
> leave them behind in the ground without leaving your
> tower behind if you move and
> so when you calculate height you don't loose 4ft in
> the ground.
> 
> I was just reading where the whole for 25G should be
> a min of
> 4.5ft deep (.5 for drain sand or gravel)
> And 4 feet on each side
> 
> I also just noticed in the files from Rohn, that the
> allowable antenna area for a 70MPH wind load (which
> isn't much wind considering
> a storm of any size at all) for Rohn25G is
> 
> only 1.5 sqft at 40' in height and that is assuming:
>  round elements, little or no square plates,
> centered and symmetrical antennas, and proper coax
> distribution of one RG-8 (or such)
> on one leg of the tower and no more than one.
> 
> That is a very small antenna is it not?
> 
> My Hornet tribander is a lot bigger than that.
> 14' boom and a 14' reflector.
> 
> Which if I am calculating it correctly
>  makes for a lot more than 1.5 sqft
> 
> My question is how much does the HAMIV rotator add
> to wind load calculations as far as square footage.
> Now just looking at that
> thing out here in the shack, it must have some
> pretty heavy duty wind load all of it's own.
> 
> How do the fellas but so many antennas on those
> towers and get by with it???
> 
>   73 fer nw es gud DX,
> QSL VIA: BUR, LotW, e-QSL
> Bob AD5VJ
> Old calls: WB5ZQU/WY5L/KH3-KE5CTY-N5IET
> http://www.ad5vj.com/
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com 
> > [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of merlin-7
> > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:03 PM
> > To: jeremy-ca; towertalk@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] rohn qusestion
> > 
> > No difference in wall thickness etc?
> > 
> >  Bottom sections are just shorter?
> > 
> >  Is it better off cost wise to just buy a normal
> section for 
> > the base and get the few feet extra in height?
> > 
> >  Thanks again
> > 
> > > 5' feet and 6'8"
> > >
> > > Carl
> > > KM1H
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "merlin-7" <merlin-7@sc.rr.com>
> > > To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:34 PM
> > > Subject: [TowerTalk] rohn qusestion
> > >
> > >
> > > > What is the difference between the short
> sections that 
> > you bury in 
> > > > concreate and a regular 10 foot section?
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> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:51:40 -0400
> From: "jeremy-ca" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] rohn qusestion
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> No difference in construction. Cost decision is
> yours to make depending 
> depending on which half section you want to throw
> away when you move. Id 
> personally never buy a new half section.
> 
> Carl
> KM1H
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