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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Square loops
From: K4SAV <RadioIR@charter.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:32:44 -0500
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I forgot to mention, the loop fed on the side is almost 
omni-directional, within about 3.5 dB.  The loop fed at the bottom has 
nulls in the direction of the plane of the loop of about 9 to 16 dB 
depending on the elevation angle.

Jerry

K4SAV wrote:

>jim Jarvis wrote:
>Who has experience with vertical square loops?
>
>
>I hope you didn't want measured data.
>Here is an EZNEC comparison between
>(1) a vertical square loop on 40M fed at the center of the bottom wire, 
>with the top wire at 70 ft,
>(2) a 2 element Yagi at 70 ft (the Yagi has a free space gain of 6 dBi),
>(3) a 40M dipole at 70 ft, and
>(4) the square loop fed in the middle of a vertical side
>
>El angle   Yagi   Loop  Dipole  Loop fed side
>30 deg     10.8   6.5      7.6       -2.0
>20 deg     10.3   5.2      6.9        1.2
>15 deg      9.0    3.5      5.5        1.7
>10 deg      6.3    0.6      2.8        0.9
>  5 deg      0.9   -4.9     -2.7      -2.3          
>
>This should come as no surprise.  The bottom wire of the loop is 33 ft 
>off the ground.  The other antennas have all wires at 70 ft.  Feeding 
>the loop at the top does not add any significant gain (maybe 0.05 dB).
>
>Jerry, K4SAV
>
>jim Jarvis wrote:
>
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>
>>JR's questions about loop v dipole has triggered a corollary question:
>>
>> Who has experience with vertical square loops?    I used to  
>>regularly work a guy on 40 who used
>>them with real advantage, versus my 2 el 40 @ 70'.     At one time, I  
>>had his design notes, but I can
>>no longer find them...and as far as I recall, it'd be an excellent  
>>antenna for my present location.
>>
>>N2EA
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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>>
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