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To: "Tower and HF antenna construction topics." <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: [TowerTalk] Fw: Repairing Yaesu G-800SA
From: "Keith eMail" <kcarter49@windstream.net>
Reply-to: "Tower and HF antenna construction topics." <towertalk@contesting.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:51:57 -0500
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>I know a couple of guys that replaced their Yaesu controllers after a 
>lightening storm with the digital controller made by MDS in Moultrie, GA. 
>The unit is a direct replacement for the Yaesu controller and will hook to 
>a computer if you want. Cost less than a new Yaesu controller they said 
>around $250 or somewhere in that range.  see ( mds-ham.com ) for info.
> Keith
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Terrence R. Redding Ph.D." <terry@oltraining.com>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 12:54 PM
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Repairing Yaesu G-800SA
>
>
>>I need to trouble shoot my rotor control system.  I have a G-800SA.  Does
>> someone know the output voltages of the four wires coming from the
>> controller and can someone tell me how to test the rotor from the ground 
>> so
>> I don't have to remove the rotor to do it.
>>
>> I am assuming that I have a controller problem, and that the rotor is 
>> fine.
>> Therefore, I most likely will buy a new controller, and redo the control
>> wires.  Are there aftermarket controllers to consider, or is my only 
>> choice
>> to go with a replacement Yaesu controller?
>>
>> All comments appreciated.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
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>>>    1. Re: Guywires - changing to - Tower Base (Gary "Joe" Mayfield)
>>>    2. Re: Guywires - changing to - Tower Base (Doug Renwick)
>>>    3. Re: Guywires - changing to - Tower Base (Roger (K8RI))
>>>    4. Software for rotators control (Codrut)
>>>    5. Re: Guywires - changing to - Tower Base (Gary "Joe" Mayfield)
>>>    6. Re: Guying a tower....Heresy to follow..... True statement!
>>>       (Julio Peralta)
>>>    7. Re: Guywires - changing to - Tower Base (K1TTT)
>>>    8. Re: Guywires - changing to - Tower Base (K1TTT)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:41:23 -0600
>>> From: "Gary \"Joe\" Mayfield" <gary_mayfield@hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires - changing to - Tower Base
>>> To: "'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'"
>>> <towertalk@contesting.com>
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>>> What do folks living where 4 feet down is marginal (due to freezing), do
>>> with these numbers?
>>>
>>> I would not put a water line in here at any depth less than 6 feet.
>>>
>>> Is 4 feet deep enough for my tower base if that is what the book on the
>>> tower says?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Joe kk0sd
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of K1TTT
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 2:34 PM
>>> To: 'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires
>>>
>>> If you really want facts, the rohn catalog calls for a 2'6"x2'6'x4' base 
>>> for
>>> 180' of 55g.  but a 64' bx series rohn tower calls for a 5'9"x5'9"x4' 
>>> base.
>>>
>>>
>>> David Robbins K1TTT
>>> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
>>> web: http://www.k1ttt.net
>>> AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Michael Ryan [mailto:mryan001@tampabay.rr.com]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 20:13
>>>> To: 'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'
>>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires
>>>>
>>>> This thread just keeps getting better and better...very 
>>>> entertaining...not
>>>> very factual....but entertaining...pass the popcorn.  - Mike
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of K1TTT
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 2:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'
>>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires
>>>>
>>>>> Now maybe someone will address the massive concrete bases recommended 
>>>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>> catalogs?  I maintain that if the tower is held vertical by the guys
>>>> there
>>>>> is near zero horizontal reaction at the base and all we need is enough
>>>>> base
>>>>> AREA to keep the thing from sinking, plus enough horizontal restraint 
>>>>> to
>>>>> handle the windload on the tower between the ground and the first 
>>>>> guys,
>>>>> which isn't much.  There is no overturning moment at all.
>>>>
>>>> Guyed towers have relatively small bases, my 180' rohn 55 base is only
>>>> 4'x4'x5'.  Self supporting towers have much bigger base requirements.
>>>>
>>>> David Robbins K1TTT
>>>> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
>>>> web: http://www.k1ttt.net
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:49:31 -0600
>>> From: Doug Renwick <ve5ra@sasktel.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires - changing to - Tower Base
>>> To: "'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'"
>>> <towertalk@contesting.com>
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>>> 4 feet down works for me and here water lines need to be deeper than 8
>>> feet.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> I'll run the race and I will never be the same again.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Gary "Joe"
>>> Mayfield
>>> Sent: January 16, 2010 9:41 PM
>>> To: 'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires - changing to - Tower Base
>>>
>>> What do folks living where 4 feet down is marginal (due to freezing), do
>>> with these numbers?
>>>
>>> I would not put a water line in here at any depth less than 6 feet.
>>>
>>> Is 4 feet deep enough for my tower base if that is what the book on the
>>> tower says?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Joe kk0sd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:29:08 -0500
>>> From: "Roger (K8RI)" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires - changing to - Tower Base
>>> To: "Tower and HF antenna construction topics."
>>> <towertalk@contesting.com>
>>> Message-ID: <4B52A024.9070007@tm.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>>>
>>>
>>> Doug Renwick wrote:
>>>> 4 feet down works for me and here water lines need to be deeper than 8
>>>> feet.
>>>>
>>> In the lower 48?
>>>
>>> Here in Michigan I think they require 3', but I don't think I've seen
>>> the frost line make it more than 12 to 14 inches in the last two
>>> decades.  That with the exception of under driveways.
>>> Even after all the really cold weather, with about a half foot of snow
>>> left, I doubt more than the top couple of inches is frozen.
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Roger (K8RI)
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> I'll run the race and I will never be the same again.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Gary "Joe"
>>>> Mayfield
>>>> Sent: January 16, 2010 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'
>>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires - changing to - Tower Base
>>>>
>>>> What do folks living where 4 feet down is marginal (due to freezing), 
>>>> do
>>>> with these numbers?
>>>>
>>>> I would not put a water line in here at any depth less than 6 feet.
>>>>
>>>> Is 4 feet deep enough for my tower base if that is what the book on the
>>>> tower says?
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Joe kk0sd
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:13:45 +0200
>>> From: "Codrut" <codrut.buda@rdslink.ro>
>>> Subject: [TowerTalk] Software for rotators control
>>> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
>>> Message-ID: <000001ca96be$80421ed0$80c65c70$@buda@rdslink.ro>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> I hope somebody will find usefull the PstRotator program. It can be
>>> downloaded from
>>>  <http://www.qsl.net/yo3dmu/index_Page346.htm>
>>> www.qsl.net/yo3dmu/index_Page346.htm
>>>
>>> PstRotator handles just about every controllable rotator in common use:
>>> Prosistel "D" and "C", RT-20 and RT-21 Green Heron, DCU-1 HyGain, RC1 
>>> MDS,
>>> Rotor-EZ Idiom Press, Easy-Rotor-Control, Yaesu Az and Yaesu Az/El 
>>> GS-232A
>>> and GS-232B, M2 RC2800, AlfaSpid RAK Az and RAS Az/El, Easycomm, ST3 Fox
>>> Delta, Endeavour Electronics AutoTracker, ZL1BPU, EGIS, Create RAC825, 
>>> EA4TX
>>> Arswin, DL7AOT, LBV Tracker, PrimeSat and VK5DJ.
>>>
>>> PstRotator provides automatic tracking for satelites and EME, using for 
>>> this
>>> WXtrack, WinOrbit, Orbitron, Nova for Windows, Sat_Explorer, SatPC32, 
>>> WSJT,
>>> Z-Track, GJTracker, EME System, Trak_SM, or HRD Satellite Tracker. Also 
>>> it
>>> works with some contest loggers like N1MM, TACLog and Win-Test. Other
>>> programs supported are MixW, DXView, VQLog and Ham Radio Deluxe v5 (HRD
>>> Logbook).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tracking the moon is easier now using an internal algorithm.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PstRotator supports multiuser remote control over TCP/IP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Antenna can be pointed on any direction with:
>>>
>>> - mouse click on a map,
>>>
>>> - mouse click on the compass rose,
>>>
>>> - left/right/up/down keyboard arrows,
>>>
>>> - setting the azimuth / elevation,
>>>
>>> - setting the QRA locator (4, 6 or 8 digits),
>>>
>>> - selecting the DXCC,
>>>
>>> - typing a callsign,
>>>
>>>
>>> 73, Codrut - YO3DMU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 06:56:25 -0600
>>> From: "Gary \"Joe\" Mayfield" <gary_mayfield@hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires - changing to - Tower Base
>>> To: "'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'"
>>> <towertalk@contesting.com>
>>> Message-ID: <COL114-DS2587170B701BEBF39A04AD8A670@phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Doug,
>>>
>>>     Thanks for the help.  I was hoping to hear from someone up North :-) 
>>> .
>>> I will follow the specs exactly for my 5'9" X 5'9" by 4' hole.  I was
>>> worried about frost jacking / ground heaving.
>>>
>>>      On a related note I was surprised to see in the Rohn notes that 
>>> wire
>>> mess was acceptable for re-enforcing, do you know of anyone who has done
>>> that as opposed to rebar?  It sure would be easier to work with.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Joe kk0sd
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Doug Renwick
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:50 PM
>>> To: 'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires - changing to - Tower Base
>>>
>>> 4 feet down works for me and here water lines need to be deeper than 8
>>> feet.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> I'll run the race and I will never be the same again.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Gary "Joe"
>>> Mayfield
>>> Sent: January 16, 2010 9:41 PM
>>> To: 'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires - changing to - Tower Base
>>>
>>> What do folks living where 4 feet down is marginal (due to freezing), do
>>> with these numbers?
>>>
>>> I would not put a water line in here at any depth less than 6 feet.
>>>
>>> Is 4 feet deep enough for my tower base if that is what the book on the
>>> tower says?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Joe kk0sd
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:33:15 -0500
>>> From: "Julio Peralta" <jperalta4@verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guying a tower....Heresy to follow..... True
>>> statement!
>>> To: "'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'"
>>> <towertalk@contesting.com>
>>> Message-ID: <654ECCB3DECA4A2582512585A1C89071@juliof20ace861>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> My apologies to the list my last reply was sent to the list by mistake.
>>>
>>> Julio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:59:31 +0000
>>> From: "K1TTT" <K1TTT@ARRL.NET>
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires - changing to - Tower Base
>>> To: "'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'"
>>> <towertalk@contesting.com>
>>> Message-ID: <BD4AC83F93714CC99FD8490ED44A89F0@k1tttibm>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> For that you must read note 2 on drawing bb41300r6 "foundation material
>>> specifications, installation notes and tolerances" that says "The 
>>> purchaser
>>> must verify that actual site soil parameters meet or exceed eia 'normal'
>>> soil parameters and that the depth of standard foundations are adequate
>>> based on the frost penetration and/or zone of seasonal moisture 
>>> variation at
>>> the site..."
>>>
>>>
>>> David Robbins K1TTT
>>> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
>>> web: http://www.k1ttt.net
>>> AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Gary "Joe" Mayfield [mailto:gary_mayfield@hotmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 03:41
>>>> To: 'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'
>>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires - changing to - Tower Base
>>>>
>>>> What do folks living where 4 feet down is marginal (due to freezing), 
>>>> do
>>>> with these numbers?
>>>>
>>>> I would not put a water line in here at any depth less than 6 feet.
>>>>
>>>> Is 4 feet deep enough for my tower base if that is what the book on the
>>>> tower says?
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Joe kk0sd
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of K1TTT
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 2:34 PM
>>>> To: 'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'
>>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires
>>>>
>>>> If you really want facts, the rohn catalog calls for a 2'6"x2'6'x4' 
>>>> base
>>>> for
>>>> 180' of 55g.  but a 64' bx series rohn tower calls for a 5'9"x5'9"x4'
>>>> base.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Robbins K1TTT
>>>> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
>>>> web: http://www.k1ttt.net
>>>> AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Michael Ryan [mailto:mryan001@tampabay.rr.com]
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 20:13
>>>>> To: 'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires
>>>>>
>>>>> This thread just keeps getting better and better...very
>>>> entertaining...not
>>>>> very factual....but entertaining...pass the popcorn.  - Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>>>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of K1TTT
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 2:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now maybe someone will address the massive concrete bases recommended
>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> catalogs?  I maintain that if the tower is held vertical by the guys
>>>>> there
>>>>>> is near zero horizontal reaction at the base and all we need is 
>>>>>> enough
>>>>>> base
>>>>>> AREA to keep the thing from sinking, plus enough horizontal restraint
>>>> to
>>>>>> handle the windload on the tower between the ground and the first
>>>> guys,
>>>>>> which isn't much.  There is no overturning moment at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Guyed towers have relatively small bases, my 180' rohn 55 base is only
>>>>> 4'x4'x5'.  Self supporting towers have much bigger base requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>> David Robbins K1TTT
>>>>> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
>>>>> web: http://www.k1ttt.net
>>>>> AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:02:15 +0000
>>> From: "K1TTT" <K1TTT@ARRL.NET>
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires - changing to - Tower Base
>>> To: "'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'"
>>> <towertalk@contesting.com>
>>> Message-ID: <3C24C812E9434DDA83E9617D3B93970A@k1tttibm>
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>>> Wire mesh must be in a more recent catalog than mine.  I would prefer 
>>> rebar
>>> except maybe for a big pad base.  For the 'normal' 25g/45g/55g bases up 
>>> to
>>> 200' or so I think that mesh would be harder to work with... probably
>>> something to leave for the professionals.
>>>
>>>
>>> David Robbins K1TTT
>>> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
>>> web: http://www.k1ttt.net
>>> AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Gary "Joe" Mayfield [mailto:gary_mayfield@hotmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 12:56
>>>> To: 'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'
>>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires - changing to - Tower Base
>>>>
>>>> Doug,
>>>>
>>>>     Thanks for the help.  I was hoping to hear from someone up North 
>>>> :-) .
>>>> I will follow the specs exactly for my 5'9" X 5'9" by 4' hole.  I was
>>>> worried about frost jacking / ground heaving.
>>>>
>>>>      On a related note I was surprised to see in the Rohn notes that 
>>>> wire
>>>> mess was acceptable for re-enforcing, do you know of anyone who has 
>>>> done
>>>> that as opposed to rebar?  It sure would be easier to work with.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Joe kk0sd
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Doug Renwick
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:50 PM
>>>> To: 'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'
>>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires - changing to - Tower Base
>>>>
>>>> 4 feet down works for me and here water lines need to be deeper than 8
>>>> feet.
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> I'll run the race and I will never be the same again.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Gary "Joe"
>>>> Mayfield
>>>> Sent: January 16, 2010 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Tower and HF antenna construction topics.'
>>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guywires - changing to - Tower Base
>>>>
>>>> What do folks living where 4 feet down is marginal (due to freezing), 
>>>> do
>>>> with these numbers?
>>>>
>>>> I would not put a water line in here at any depth less than 6 feet.
>>>>
>>>> Is 4 feet deep enough for my tower base if that is what the book on the
>>>> tower says?
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Joe kk0sd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TowerTalk mailing list
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>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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