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Re: [TowerTalk] 15 meter yagi height for 6000 miles

To: "john@kk9a.com" <john@kk9a.com>, "towertalk@contesting.com" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 15 meter yagi height for 6000 miles
From: David Blake <dhblake@yahoo.com>
Reply-to: David Blake <dhblake@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:39:57 -0800 (PST)
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John et al-

All this may be true to some extent but the majority of us don't have the 
option of stacked
HF yagis at 90'  HI.

I have never had an tower higher than 48 feet yet somehow have managed to work 
ALL  DXCCs (#1 Honor Roll).  and all 40 zones
on 6 bands.  Over 300 DXCCs on 6 bands, etc, etc.   My point is that you can do 
a lot with antennas at much less than what some
computer program says is optimum.

As Bill Moore says on the LoTW  page, "Go work some new ones."

73, Dave -N4DB-



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 From: "john@kk9a.com" <kk9a@bellsouth.net>
To: towertalk@contesting.com 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 15 meter yagi height for 6000 miles
 
To get the main lob at 3 degrees the antenna would have to be 200' high 
(assuming flat ground).  This is a poor choice since it leaves a big null at 7 
degrees.  I have had good results on 15m with a single yagi around 90 feet 
high.  Of course stacked antennas are the ideal choice.

John KK9A


To:  towertalk@contesting.com 
Subject:  Re: [TowerTalk] 15 meter yagi height for 6000 miles 
From:  Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net> 
Date:  Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:24:18 -0800 

Here's the antenna book data for LosAngeles to EU  (LA to Paris is about 
6000 mi).  It looks like you want an angle around 3-5 degrees, and maybe 
a bump around 8-10 degrees.  These numbers come from VOACAP, I believe, 
so you could get a copy of that load it up, and run it for your link.

HFTA would then tell you how high to make the antenna to make that first 
big lobe at 3 degrees.

Los Angeles, Ca to Europe
Elev      80m    40m    30m    20m    17m    15m    12m    10m
  1        2.5    6.6    4.1    6.8    4.8    1.8    0.0    0.0
  2        4.1    9.1   10.8    6.7    9.6    4.9    4.6    5.6
  3        4.2    7.0   15.3   13.7   17.5   20.2    6.2    0.0
  4       10.2   11.2   10.8    7.8   13.6   13.5    9.2    0.0
  5        6.2   10.2   14.2    5.1    5.6   12.3   15.4   22.2
  6        1.7    6.6   12.0    8.3    7.1    6.7    9.2   16.7
  7        3.5    3.3    8.1    8.6    6.8    7.4    9.2   16.7
  8        3.5    4.6    5.3   11.4    9.3    9.8   13.8   11.1
  9        9.3    5.6    2.7   10.0    7.6    9.2   13.8   22.2
10        5.4   11.2    1.6    5.0    6.5    4.9    9.2    0.0
11        5.2    6.5    4.4    5.0    3.4    3.7    3.1    5.6
12        3.5    2.5    4.1    5.0    1.7    1.8    1.5    0.0
13        7.5    1.0    2.8    2.1    2.8    1.2    0.0    0.0
14        6.0    1.6    0.7    2.3    1.4    0.0    0.0    0.0
15        4.6    4.5    0.4    0.6    1.4    1.8    3.1    0.0
16        2.9    3.3    0.1    0.4    0.6    0.0    1.5    0.0
17        4.3    2.4    1.2    0.5    0.3    0.6    0.0    0.0
18        4.6    0.2    0.4    0.5    0.0    0.0    0.0    0.0
19        3.4    0.7    1.1    0.4    0.0    0.0    0.0    0.0
20        1.6    0.6    0.0    0.0    0.0    0.0    0.0    0.0



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