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Re: [TowerTalk] Thoughts on towers suitable for my difficult location?

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Thoughts on towers suitable for my difficult location?
From: Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:54:32 -0700
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On 10/23/13 9:38 AM, Your Name wrote:
I am trying to determine if it would be practical to safely install a 40
to 50 foot free-standing or bracketed (not guyed) tower in my location.
I would like to hear from anyone who has erected a tower in a similar area.


You need to define "practical" I'll bet there are 50 foot high flagpoles and highway light standards around, but they may be larger or have bigger foundations that you would like or can afford.


One final feature of the site: it is subject to tidal flooding during
severe tropical storms and nor’easters. Every 2 or 3 years, the base of
any tower at this site will be immersed for several hours in seawater,
to a height of up to 4 feet. (Most houses here, if you are wondering,
are elevated on pilings or perimeter walls.)

I'm thinking that if you were not cost constrained, drilling a suitable hole and filling it with a reinforced concrete pier might be a decent solution. having the forms stick up 4 feet isn't all that big a deal, and the extra concrete isn't all that expensive.

What do they do for traffic lights and advertising signs around your area? Especially if its the traffic lights with a big cantilever sticking out, that's a huge overturning moment, and what they do for that will work for you.




My initial idea is to simply overengineer - select a tower rated for 120
mph at *double* my planned windload, and go up a step or two on the
usual foundation size. I'm also inclining toward an aluminium, rather
than steel, tower due to the saltwater corrosion issue.

What you describe is not overengineering. It's overbuilding, without actually looking at the engineering.

Bear in mind that for many towers, the wind induced loads on the tower are as big as the wind loads on the antennas. You need to look at the design information for your candidate tower to be sure.

But it's the base that's going to be your big deal. The tower is just a big stick. The "standard design" for the base assumes fairly good soil (because the base is all that keeps it from falling over). If you're in mushy sand, "going up a step" may not be a good strategy: you might need more, or a different kind of technique (deep caisson, horizontal grade beams, etc.)

Any thoughts would be much appreciated. I might end up turning to a
Professional Engineer for final planning, but I'd like to check to see
if this is even remotely feasible before I incur that expense.


If you know someone locally who has an antenna and tower system similar to what you want to do that has been up for some number of years, that might be useful.

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