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Re: [TowerTalk] Raising Towers

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Raising Towers
From: <john@kk9a.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 03:29:03 -0000
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I usually do not comment on things like this, however these are some of the 
scariest tower pictures I have seen. Besides the lack of any real  P.P.E. I 
would be concerned about the integrity of the 200 foot towers.  The tubing 
is kinked where it is bent who knows what the yield strength is or the 
condition the welds. http://w7yrv.blogspot.com/2013/10/roys-qth-w7yrv.html 
The guy cable appears to be very small wire rope.  In one picture it is 
connected to the guy anchor  with rubber bungee cords.

John KK9A


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Subject:Re: [TowerTalk] Raising Towers
From:Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date:Thu, 26 Dec 2013 17:03:06 -0800
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Yeah, I finally found that one..

I'm not so wild about climbing with just a belt. BUT.. if that's a piece of 
kernmantle static line, which is kind of what it looks like, I don't think 
that's the biggest of his problems. I'd worry more about one of the 
innummerable welds popping loose when the hook pulls on it. And it kind of 
looks like he's just looped it through the rings on his belt.

But hey, safety is relative. When I learned to rock climb in the 70s, the 
"state of the art" was a swami belt of 20-25 ft of 1" webbing wrapped around 
your waist. You tied on with either a figure 8 or a bowline (which is what 
his hooks are tied on with). That was considered perfectly safe compared to 
crazy guys who would just tie the rope around their waist, or even crazier 
guys who just went rope free.

That this was a few short decades after the introduction of the "belay" and 
anchoring the belayer to the wall, as opposed to the late 19th century 
approach of tie everyone to the same rope, and move together, and "the 
leader must not fall".

So 'YRV thinks that he's ok, and while he's doing stuff that *I* wouldn't 
do, and neither would most people, it's not like he's climbing up that 200 
ft tower with NO safety (which, in fact, people do..). He's at sort of the 
1960s-1970s safety practice level.

Should people take his example as one to follow? Certainly not. Should we 
tell him "don't climb, until you have a certified harness, and use standard 
industry practice, and by the way, are you a certified welder?" I don't 
think so. He clearly knows the consequences of failures (since he has the 
mishaps page).

It's sort of like people setting off on a solo sailboat trip across an 
ocean. Or jumping horses over fences. Or off-road racing. It's a 
fundamentally unsafe thing to do. There are more or less safe ways you can 
do it, but that doesn't change a lot of things. Everyone gets to make their 
own decisions (hopefully with good advice, but free to ignore it). 

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