I understand that. I think that if replacing the screw anchors every 10 years
could prevent such a disaster I don't see that as a big problem. Not replacing
them take a chance, well... . No, I will not sue if I replace mine, my neighbor
doesn't and his tower never ails. It's just like any other insurance, no
insurance the risk is on you. I do wish there is some type of test to make any
predictions or indications of deterioration.
We are here to give each other ideas and advice how to build and maintain etc.
I believe it is up to the reader (and NOT the writer) to decide if an advice is
good or not. In other words; does it make sense to me what I read and act
accordingly. It's my believe that's the way we can progress and prosper. Please
let the discussions continue.
with best 73 de,
Hans - N2JFS
-----Original Message-----
From: K0DAN <k0dan@comcast.net>
To: Hans Hammarquist <hanslg@aol.com>
Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2014 11:20 am
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Fwd: screw anchors (was Welding Rebar)
No, I didn't say that. I said I had one fail. I made no assumptions about
timing or maintenance.
k0dan
-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Hammarquist
Sent: January 07, 2014 07:02
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: [TowerTalk] Fwd: screw anchors (was Welding Rebar)
If I understand you right, the screw anchors should be replaced at about ten
years interval. Needless to say, if something fails due to corrosion or
what-have-you it will break, that's what maintenance is for. The pull-out
force is what it is for a intact screw anchor. It will be less for an anchor
damaged by corrosion. That's there the maintenance come in.
If you check my album:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150198503693539.328964.579753538&type=1&l=b4a8463457
there is one picture of some bolt that were holding the tower together when
I received it. They were, obviously not fit for service any longer.
Hans - N2JFS
-----Original Message-----
From: K0DAN <k0dan@comcast.net>
To: Hans Hammarquist <hanslg@aol.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 6, 2014 4:20 pm
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] screw anchors (was Welding Rebar)
I have had a screw anchor fail, resulting in the destruction of a 70' tower
plus all antennas and hardline.
This was about 16 years ago, and the tower had been up 15+ years with no
problems. Over time, galvanic action between the soil (thick clay below
about 2' of black dirt) and the steel caused one anchor rod to stretch out
like taffy and eventually snap. This caused a chain reaction of the other
guywires. It was ugly and costly.
Except for a temporary installation, I'd encourage anyone considering use of
screw anchors to install them into concrete and not in direct contact with
soil. YMMV.
73
dan
k0dan
-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Hammarquist
Sent: January 06, 2014 15:00
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: [TowerTalk] screw anchors (was Welding Rebar)
I don't see any problems with screw anchors. Anyone what havae had any
problems with them The one I use are, according to the manufacturer's spec.,
good for a pulll force of 14,400 # in undisturbed,dry sand.
Hans - N2JFS
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Kline <w3ea@hotmail.com>
To: Roger (K8RI) on TT <k8ri-on-towertalk@tm.net>; towertalk
<towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 6, 2014 1:51 pm
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Welding Rebar
I think we all have a few OMG or WTF regarding tower/antenna installation
and
upkeep
Field Day. are a prime example of Elmer's rule ( If it did not fall down
it
was not big enough or high enough )
I personally know of a statin that had 5 towers 4 100' & 1 80' guyed with
3/16
ehs three levels on the 100' and two levels on the 80
all with mono band beams one being a full size 40 meter beam and there
were
screw in anchor's and NO I repeat NO concrete
anywhere . the bases being Rohn 25 hinge plates bolted to 2' X 3' steel
plate
and a three or four rebar's 1/2 dia pounded in the soft wet ground.. last
for
many many many years
YMMV
Wayne W3EA
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 03:26:43 -0500
> From: K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Welding Rebar
>
> On 1/6/2014 12:58 AM, Hans Hammarquist wrote:
> > I believe K2TTT put one tower up using nothing as a base, just the tower
standing on a small plate, resting directly on ground. Yes, it is (was)
guyed.
> Over the years (since 61) I've had 7 towers up using dirt bases. They
> were only 40-50' with one 60 footer, and one 90 footer, all guyed. I
> had a 5L 20M KLM, 6L 15M KLM,(42' booms) and a 7L Wilson 10M Yagi on a
> 39' boom. One was 90' with a Cushcraft ATB34 It's a rather rugged dirt
> base and in solid soil, I'd not hesitate to go 90 feet with 25G, but
> avoid those towers that only have the horizontal bracing.
> http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/Dirt_Base.htm I'd consult an
> engineer for higher or different soil. I over guyed the 90 footer which
> was a mistake. The extra weight and proper tension of the larger steel
> guys put an excessive vertical load on the tower causing the bottom 3
> sections to bell out where they join, requiring a hydraulic jack to get
> them apart.
>
> 73
>
> Roger (K8RI)
>
> >
> > Dave, am I correct?
> >
> >
> > Hans - N2JFS
> >
> >
>
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