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Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question
From: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2014 17:29:17 +0000
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Just to develop this a little further ....

I referred earlier to a spreadsheet I had produced that allows me to specify the number of turns, the number of stacked cores and the stray C of a choke using #31, #43, #52 and #61 ferrite mixes; it will then plot the complex impedance of the choke between 1 and 30MHz. It takes full account of the variation of u' and u'' with frequency.

This afternoon I took a look at Jim's (K9YC) measured choke data shown in Fig 41 of his paper. By adjusting the value of C in my spreadsheet I can get good agreement with any of Jim's curves in that chart. For example, 7 turns on 5 stacked FT240-31 cores with 8pF parallel capacitance is predicted by the spreadsheet to give resonance at 3MHz (Z=7750 Ohms), Z@2MHz=6050 Ohms and Z@10MHz=2600 Ohms; for comparison, Jim's measured figures were: resonance at 3MHz (Z=8000 Ohms), Z@2MHz=6500 Ohms and Z@10MHz=2900 Ohms.

Repeating that exercise for different numbers of turns on the same 5 stacked cores required the following values of C for best match with Jim's measured figures:

4 turns on 5 cores: 2pF
5 turns on 5 cores: 3pF
6 turns on 5 cores: 4pF
7 turns on 5 cores: 8pF

Looking at those figures it seems counter-intuitive that adding an extra turn going from 6 turns to 7 turns would double the stray capacitance. It's not a problem with Jim's data - I get exactly the same sort of anomalies using my own measured data!

Note that in this case the ferrite mix and the stack size didn't change - only the number of turns. Initial thoughts are that a simple "parallel C" model is inadequate to describe what is happening and something more complex is required.

In the case of large conventional loading coils we have to move from a "lumped component" model to a transmission line analysis to get accurate predictions; but I wouldn't have thought that necessary with these chokes that are physically small compared to a wavelength.

Any thoughts?

Steve G3TXQ


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