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From: Hans Hammarquist via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Hans Hammarquist <hanslg@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 22:29:53 -0500
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Hi Tom,


The tube itself is pretty sturdy but the is a huge problem to connect them with 
each other. They, at least the once I have, come with some silly collar that 
makes it seems as they can be connected together. Yes, they connect together 
but the collar does not have nearly the strength as the tube itself.


I think they were intended to be used as tent poles, not too many connected 
together, maybe 3 - 5 pieces tops, and placed vertically.


I have no experience with the tubes shattering but I have had several collars 
breaking. I once, and only once, manage to raise a 40 foot pole consisting of 
these tubes. It was at two places attached guy ropes and a falling derrick 
approach. (If I remember it right I used 13 tubes at the time.) Next time I 
tried, I wasn't successful.


I doubt that you can use them for a long, vertical member unless you find a way 
to "weld" them together. I guess a better approach is to "bit the bullet" and 
buy one of the "more established' fiberglass poles.


Let us know your approach.


Best 73 and good luck de,


Hans - N2JFS



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From: Tom_N2SR via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
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Sent: Sat, Dec 26, 2015 4:26 pm
Subject: [TowerTalk] those 4 foot 1.5" fiberglass army surplus tubes...

You see them all over the place: ebay, even Dayton.  I'm looking to try and use 
several/many of them to create a horizontal "outrigger" or "boom"  to keep an 
eventual 80m 4 square away from a C31XR that is at 40 feet.  Unfortunately, 
that out rigger needs to be over 50 feet feet long, in order to clear the 
C31XR.   There will be two of them, hence 4 directions.  I know that I will 
have to create a boom truss to support it and the weight of the wire verticals, 
the coax and balun.  The question is, is there a better way?   I've looked at 
DX Engineering's fiberglass tubing.  I've looked at Max Gain Systems (?) 
fiberglass tubing.   I know that Vibroplex sells Spiderbeam fiberglass poles.  
Everything I look at seems to be for use in the vertical plane, not horizontal. 
 So, any ideas?   If I use those 4 foot surplus tubes, how to connect them 
together - permanently?   I was thinking of epoxying them together and also use 
2 stainless steel bolts in opposing directions.  Will they st
 and up to UV or do I have to use Scotch 88 tape and protect them?  My initial 
thoughts are to mount a pulley at each end of the tube, and use that point as 
one of the connection points for the "boom truss."  I realize that I might even 
need multiple trusses along the "boom" to support it.  Thoughts?  Other ideas?  
 The tower is 90 feet, with a C31XR at 80 feet, so I can't just move the 
vertical up to clear the low antenna.  The turning radius of a C31XR is around 
24 feet, so I don't have to go 32 feet out from the tower.   Thanks.Tom, 
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