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Subject: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Balanced wire feed line
From: Hans Hammarquist via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Hans Hammarquist <hanslg@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 23:29:44 -0400
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Hi Jim,


I have a setup with the tuner isolated from ground and a CCM chock made of 50' 
of coax wound around a 4" PVC pipe. The chock is fairly wide band by NOT having 
an even pitch on the winding. The choke insure that there is no CM current 
entering the shack.


Yes, the tower is conducting (AL) and grounded (9 rods) and it is participating 
in the radiation. How much, I don't know.The feed line is parallel to the 
tower, about 12" outside.


I have the shack shielded by enclosing it in Al foil. Everything passing in or 
out of the shack is grounded to the foil or decoupled to the foil. I tested 
with a transistor radio (7 transistors :) and the reception inside the shack is 
very poor.


I have read through your essay about "pin one problem. You are right but I have 
fixed most of it and don't have any RFI/EMI problem except one (1) telephone. 
That one went to the hip. 


I had, earlier, a problem with my IC706. RF on the microphone doesn't do good. 
Now it is gone, probably because I have been very ainal reducing RF inside my 
shack.


I did put up some pictures on my facebook page (Hans Hammarquist). They are 
"open" so anyone can check them out.


Anyhow Jim, thanks for all advice you are giving. Some of them I never thought 
of but find them very useful.


Hans - N2JFS



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: towertalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Sun, Jun 19, 2016 2:49 pm
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Balanced wire feed line

On Sun,6/19/2016 9:36 AM, Hans Hammarquist via TowerTalk wrote:
> The problem is that the feed line works as part of the antenna and there is 
> CM current along the feed line starting at the antenna.
Right.
>   That current dies out once it reaches the shack and will cause no problem 
> inside my shack.

Wrong.  It only becomes small when it reaches the shack if it encounters 
a high common mode impedance at the shack between it and other 
conductors (like a ground, or connections to other equipment). That high 
common mode impedance could take the form of an effective common mode 
choke or an ordinary 2-winding transformer with low capacitance between 
the windings. And it can still be large at the top and along the line.

> It's just like an extra wire from the antenna down towards my shack and it is 
> radiating all the way down with an influence to the radiation pattern.
Right.
> I don't know how big of a problem it is in my case as I have nothing more 
> than my tower next to it.

Your tower is another conductor, and is probably grounded. The common 
mode current on the line will couple to it, and BOTH can radiate. 
Remember, that tower acts like an antenna too -- it's a conductor with 
some electrical length.

> I can, lively, imaging if it passes a TV, telephone or a HIFI setup on its 
> way down.

This is radio -- the feedline doesn't have to "pass" these devices to 
radiate energy that is received when wires connected to those devices 
act as receiving antennas, because most of those devices have Pin One 
Problems.

73, Jim K9YC

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