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Re: [TowerTalk] Yet another used W51 (base/foundation) ??? de K6LPM

To: EZRhino@fastmovers.biz, towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Yet another used W51 (base/foundation) ??? de K6LPM
From: KJ6Y--- via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Reply-to: KJ6Y@aol.com
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 19:56:06 -0400
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Well said Chris.
Skip, KJ6Y
 
 
In a message dated 6/9/2017 4:43:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
EZRhino@fastmovers.biz writes:

In the  amount of time it took you to type out this treatise, you could 
have called  Tashjian Towers, ordered a new base, and then still had time left 
over to walk  into the kitchen and make a nice turkey and swiss sandwich, 
and consume said  nutriment.  

If you're still wanting to build your own, there is a  no-weld solution 
that involves anchor bolts set into the wet concrete during  the pour, and a 
very large piece of 1/2" plate steel with holes drilled for  the anchor bolts. 
 Then another set of holes are drilled for very large  angle, like 3/4" 
thick, where one side of the angle bolts into the base plate  and the other 
side bolt to the tower.

By the time you're done trying to  bore a dozen or more 3/4" diameter holes 
through steel that thick, you're  going to be wishing you had made the 
phone call and eaten the sandwich  above.  Make the call, thank me later.   :-)

Chris
KF7P












On  Jun 9, 2017, at 15:50 , southbound suarez wrote:

Seems as if there's a  huge proliferation of these towers out there. I'd 
dare say probably record  production compared to any other Ham/private 
consumer tower if you exclude the  25G series.
That said,
Does anyone have any plans or instructions or  essentially a how to recipe 
for fabricating or securing this old Tri-Ex  crankup tower to a foundation? 
Ideally some specifications for specific  material type selections 
(metallurgy) , size/thickness and retail sources for  these materials? Welding 
requirement as well as what design considerations or  possible critical 
failures 
that a DYI guy should be aware of?
I am well  aware of and respect the fact that this is indeed a critical 
application and  that there exists some major risks including major 
liabilities. The  possibilities of a catastrophic failure places strong risks 
in the 
form of  severe property damage,; great bodily injury and possible death.
I believe  in good conscious that I have a healthy respect of these facts. 
While I am a  very handy person with good mechanical apptitude and 
experience in  construction trades, I know enough that I am far from a proper 
mechanical  engineer. I have much to learn of actual loads , stresses and best  
practices.... Experience and hardknocks does have some merit similiarly does  
common sense (usually an oxymoron) especially judgement or  understanding.
Obviously, "Rocket Science" can be applied to anything and  make for great 
efficiency, betterment and overall greater safety.  (So  much better the hit 
over miss ratio)
I CAN APPRECIATE THE NUMBERS BEING  CRUNCHED! BUT.....
When you look at the designed base of what this tower  was shipped when 
purchased brand new and even the same with what is being  provided by 
manufacturer today? Engineering practices and formulations set  aside... The 
Base 
appears as if it is just three 2" wide by 12" long 3/8" mild  steel plates. The 
plates tab welded with full bead along there length to about  a 24" length 
of rebar. Each plate/rebar upright are then  welded to a  triangular formed 
rebar horizontal member. This is then conventionally   tie wrapped to the 
structual rebar concrete reinforcement... Doesnt seem so  exotic or rocket 
science to me???
I do understand that there might be some  subtle but important things not 
so obvious. I consider that there exsists  certain forms of weldable rebar 
and that heat will anneal steel. Especially  mild ductile steel plates. 
Certain critical welds must adhere to specific  standards...

I fully respect the reasoning for good uniform codes and  standards. I 
understand about professional peer review and adoption of  professional 
standards.....

Maybe to everyones benefit we can get a  good and educational discussion 
going on here. Maybe there's some esteemed  slide ruler type that could give 
the class a presentation on some of the basic  physics and caculations. For 
those industrial insiders that govern over the  art and practices, how about 
a quick review of the most pertinent and  applicable sections of the 
numerous plethora of codes and overlapping  professional disciplines in which 
contribute to the structure of radio  amatuers affection.  AND..........
Selfishly and ultimately educate me  on how to best 
construct/obtain/procure the basis (or bases) <pun> for  constructing my own 
foundation to bolt my 
second hand W-51 tower into an  upright position that is useful (safe) and 
reliable all on my own.....
MY  SPECIFICS ....
This will be a non-inspected install with at least 100ft  setback in all 
directions. No structures or pathways in peril .... simply a  private install 
on private land with minimal intrusion by local governing  officials...
None the less,  I do wish to meet or exceed proper  building standards.

Thanks for reading my lengthy and intial posting as  a new member of your 
excellent and esoteric community.

73,
Brian  K6LPM

Brian
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