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Re: [TowerTalk] Bearings for Axial Load

To: "Roger (K8RI) on TT" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>, towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Bearings for Axial Load
From: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 20:27:49 -0700
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For single row tapered roller bearings, they work as Roger describes. They will fall apart so need retained and preload applied to insure everything stays in contact when load is applied. A car produces push, pull, and radial loads on the wheel tapered roller bearings. The parts are the cup and cone (goes on the shaft) and are purchased separately for larger bearings.

The spherical dual roller bearing described in the post that started the thread is designed to accommodate significant shaft angular misalignment. That would occur when the tower leans in strong wind. They are not intended to come apart and the preload/clearance is established in the precise grinding of the parts.

More on bearings: Needle bearings have no axial load capacity and thrust ball or roller bearings have essentially no radial capacity. In between are angular contact bearings, usually made in super tolerances (ABEC 7 or 9) for machine tool spindles. These spindles need to handle loads in all directions. They come in matched pairs, and a Bridgeport mill set (not Chinese) costs ~$700. Some models of rotators (Yaesu, HyGain) have the aluminum races shaped as angular contact bearings so both axial and radial loads can be applied.

Deep groove ball bearings are primarily radial bearings but can handle axial loads of 25% or more of rated radial load per specs.

Grant KZ1W



  On 7/15/2017 19:32 PM, Roger (K8RI) on TT wrote:
I'm not a mechanical engineer, but pretty sure. Those bearings receive a substantial load, not only on both axes, (cornering) but off axis as well. (momentary or short term impacts). The race is not only tilted, but tapered so those rollers support load along their entire lengths. Note, the race taper is roughly 20 degrees off horizontal as the primary, long term is horizontal, while short term (but substantial) loads are mainly, or close to, in line with the axles although impacts may be at almost any angle off the rims.

73, Roger (K8RI)

On 7/15/2017 Saturday 12:20 PM, Jim Thomson wrote:
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 01:56:37 -0400
From: "Roger (K8RI) on TT" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Bearings for Axial Load

<Roller and ball bearings work well for side loads. Ball bearings in a
<horizontal race can support substantial loads. Roller ans ball bearings
<typically work in one axis at a tine.  It takes a tapered bearing, like
<a wheel bearing to do well on both axes.

<73, Roger (K8RI)

## u sure about that ? A tapered bearing, like a wheel bearing, is designed to be mounted horizontal. Mount it vertical, and all the load ends up on the bottoms of those shafts that go through the tapered bearings... on the now horz section, that all those
vert shafts are connected to. .  Im sure it was on your site that
depicted broken shafts..that go through the center of the tapered roller bearing. IF the wheel bearing was big enough to begin with, and 2 of them were used, it should not be an issue. IF the rotor in question had the entire weight of the mast + ants on it, then there would be no weight on the bearings either... only
an axial load, when the wind blows.... moot point.

## I dont know what type of bearing the speer brand is..... thats used in the UST crank-ups, but they are built like a tank...and come with locking collars. I used 2 of em... + a K7NV small PP.

Jim  VE7RF.

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