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Re: [TowerTalk] supporting a 40 meter rotatable dipole with trusses

To: Jim Thomson <jim.thom@telus.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] supporting a 40 meter rotatable dipole with trusses
From: Joe Partlow <joe.w6jwp@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:52:21 -0700
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I cheat: http://ac6v.com/swrmeter.html


On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Jim Thomson <jim.thom@telus.net> wrote:

> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 16:40:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: terry burge <ki7m@comcast.net>
> To: TowerTalk@contesting.com, terry burge <ki7m@comcast.net>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] supporting a 40 meter rotatable dipole with
> trusses
>
> <Been working on my 40 meter rotatable dipole I plan to put up at 124 feet
> or so. But I'm worried about making sure whatever I come up with to fix the
> 3/16" dacron truss lines to the elements out about 20' or so are secure.
> Dealing with the DXE tubing when <it gets down below 1" or so I don't want
> anything too heavy. Also don't want to drill and weaken the dipole. I
> actually came up with some 'rings' from Wilco just about the right size
> that would slip over the 0.5", 0.625", 0.750" to I believe the 0.875".
> There I <could use 1/2"-1 1/4" hose clamps to make sure the ring doesn't
> slip further up. Just the dacron wrapped around the ring might be enough to
> keep that from happening but I don't trust it.
>
>
> <I'm not sure I could trust just using the hose clamps to hold the dacron
> line but I don't want to drill and weaken the tubing in any way.
>
>
> <Any better idea? You can see a few pictures of what I'm building on my
> QRZ/KI7M page.
>
>
> <Terry
>
> <KI7M
>
> ##  Ken,  W3JK, uses  a 2 piece machined aluminum clamp, thick,
> rectangular, that goes around the tubing in question.
> On the top part of the clamp, a piece of  1 x 1  x .125  angle aluminum is
> bolted, using the same pair of ss bolts as the
> 2 x piece clamp.   The vertical part of the angle al is where the truss
> terminates... with just a hole in the vert portion of the
> angle al.   Use a small thimble etc, so the dacron does not bear down on
> the edges of the hole.   Ken will make a couple of pairs
> for you, if he knows the exact tubing OD in question.  Then they wont
> slip.
>
> ##  I looked at your pix.  I would use better mast to rectangular plate
> clamps.... vs the muffler style clamps  you show in the pix.
> Use a pair of the dx eng style  muffler clamps..  the ones that have the
> SOLID  al  saddle, then they have loads of surface area.  The  SS
> u bolts that come with them are extra long threads, that will handle any
> thickness al plate.   You also
> need a solid fiberglass  center insulator.   Without it, you have way too
> much stress right in the middle.
>
> ##  heres the  real concern.   Did  you  run the design through something
> like the DX eng  yagi mech software program ???
> 66 ft long  and starting with just  1.25..and down to the typ  .375
>  even with thick, inboard sections, is going to have a tough
> time with high winds... esp with dipole broadside to the wind.   If we
> knew the exact tubing schedule used, which means  exposed
> tubing lengths  and also overlaps, and wall thickness,  or if any inner
> liners used  etc, etc, then it can all be run through the dx eng  mech
> software  very quickly.
>
> ##  Your pair of over head truss lines  wont buy you anything for
> increased  wind speed,  only sag, and sag from  snow and ice loading.
> You also require horizontal dacron truss lines  to handle increased  wind
> speeds.  Horz  truss lines will also minimize  horizontal
> deflection for  XXX  wind speed.   If the  ele deflects  too much, then
> you also get this effect called...  wind induced  swr.
>
> ##  The dx eng yagi mech  program  will spit out  how much vertical..and
> horz  deflection you will get..and also factor in both vert
> and horz  truss lines.
>
> ##  At 1st glance, I just cant see   your  66 ft long ele
> surviving...when its only 1.25 inch  OD in the middle.   1.25 is what you
> would typ
> use for the center of a 20m ele.   For a 66 ft long dipole,  2.00 inch is
> typ used..then tapering down to .375 at the tips.  Even then, the inboard
> 15 ft on either side of mast is typ heavy walled material, like .125.
>  And thats  just to get it to survive a   85-90 mph gust.   Without a horz
> truss,
> the ele deflection is insane with high winds.   Typ  a single horz truss
> is  used, and terminates 15 ft  from the mast.
>
> Jim  VE7RF
>
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